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Brian in NL

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Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« on: July 19, 2012, 09:20:43 »
Has anyone had any recent experience shipping their car from the U.S. to Europe? My 230SL is near Detroit and I need to ship it to Rotterdam via container. Will also need the shipper to arrange for covered transport from Detroit to the U.S. port of exit.  Any recommendations would be much appreciated!

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Re: Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2012, 11:28:32 »
Hi Brian,

I'm currently in the process of shipping my pagoda from the US to the UK.

It's was picked up from Utah and transported to LA, where it arrived last week. Had confirmation earlier in the week that all documents and clearance is ok. Now just waiting for a date for loading into a container and then onto the ship, hopefully bound for the UK.

The broker i'm using has arranged everything - so far so good. If you need details then PM me.



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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2012, 17:34:32 »
Brian

You would do well to call CARS Europe.

http://www.carseurope.net/

They have shipped two cars for me from the  US to UK (my current 230 SL and a Ferrari 250 PF Coupe I owned way back when). Fantastic service. Price competitive. Really nice people to deal with. Cannot recommend them highly enough.

Good luck

Darren.

PS : Take the shared container option if available...much much cheaper.

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Re: Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2012, 22:28:00 »
Darren,

Could you give us an idea of the costs?
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Re: Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2012, 07:36:38 »
Hello,
transport costs from USA to Europa are ca. 1.000-1.500 US Dollar(depends on size). But you also should conside insurance, tax, toll, handling fee for import, harbour etc. Tax and  toll defer between different habours in Europe. For details see: www.carsfromusa.de/importkalkulator/.
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Re: Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2012, 10:49:29 »
'Cars' have a very good reputatiion indeed but for some reason i thought they were expensive.

Darren, can you give us an idea of the price you pay and was the container shared or empty.

thankyou


Brian

You would do well to call CARS Europe.

http://www.carseurope.net/

They have shipped two cars for me from the  US to UK (my current 230 SL and a Ferrari 250 PF Coupe I owned way back when). Fantastic service. Price competitive. Really nice people to deal with. Cannot recommend them highly enough.

Good luck

Darren.

PS : Take the shared container option if available...much much cheaper.
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Re: Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2012, 11:05:58 »
Porsche/VW crowd seem to like Kingstown
http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38643&hilit=kingstown

No personal experience
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Re: Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2012, 13:36:27 »
I used them and have no hesitation recommending them.

Speak to Mark or Steve.
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Re: Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2012, 17:52:33 »
Gents,  I thought the costs would be closer to 10k$....considering this, why does anyone sell really nice Pagodas here for peanuts when they fetch such a premium in Europe?  I can understand selling a beater or a #2 car here, but I see people who claim to have invested North of 80k$ in restoration costs unable to get that kind of money here...it seems to make sense to send it to Europe and have one of the brokers listed in Mercedes Enthusiast do the sale for a fee, no?


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Re: Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2012, 20:16:13 »
Personal import of the car attracts a duty of 5% - to get that I'm guessing you need to be resident

There a number of dealers who do this but for someone from the US: but ~20% import tax will be applied. Then you'd have to get the cash home. Best off selling it there and passing the risk off on the buyer. Enough people take the risk...
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Re: Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2012, 21:33:24 »
You can import for 5% if you apply for a BTI ruling and get the certificate before the car arrives, this usually takes 3-4 weeks to organise. Otherwise there is 10% import duty and 20% VAT to pay!

Just got news from my broker that my Pagoda is ready to be collected from it's journey which started in Utah about 6 weeks ago.

I'll update the thread once i've collected it and checked for any damage during shipping.


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Re: Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2012, 04:19:28 »
Last year I paid $2,200 to get the El Camino (BIG and heavy car!) transported from Allandale, Minnesota, via Texas to Lelystad, Netherlands in its own container. This involved 4 legs:

Minnesota to Texas, Holland Ranch where it was loaded into container
Holland Ranch to the port in Texas
Boat ride to port in Lelystad
short hop from port to customs agent (who charged EUR 500 for the customs work)

Import duties and VAT rules and rates vary from country to country, so best to check your specific circumstances, also if you need any temporary insurance coverage.

P.s. another (French-based) shipper wanted around EUR 9,000 for the above services, so it really pays to shop around.
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Re: Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2012, 06:23:24 »
excuse my ignorance, whats a BTI ruling and certificate please?, sounds good if you can save VAT & duty

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2012, 06:28:06 »
Cars of a certain age seem to get a waiver of the full duty and VAT. They must be "original" IIRC (although obv the inspectors view of original and ours may differ!!). Have a nose on DDK or Pistonheads. If you bring in a modern SLK they want their slice but the slice is much smaller on historics. Nothing hard and fast in this however, in as much as I have read that (eg) a prototype would be fine but a production car should pay full whack. But then the Porsche/VW mob all seem to pay the 5% - however ratty the car
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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2012, 18:49:17 »
Darren,

Could you give us an idea of the costs?

Raymond (?)

Anorak that I am I kept a note of all the shipping fees. They broke down in 2010 as follows :

Shipping Invoice              £2,150
Shipping Insurance      £283
Thamesport Landing       £900
Import Duty Admin Fee  £50

You must also allow 5% of purchase price for import duty if you are lucky and 20% (VAT) if you are not (see Tosh's comment re "originality" which are bang on). I got away with 5%. CARS helped me the 5% ruling by filling in all the Customs forms on my behalf (which i though was great service).

Off course you also need to add on haulage from original location to shipping port (I used Cosdel).

CARS may not be the cheapest but I got great service and my car arrived on time, damage free, and crucially for 5% import duty.

Hope that helps,

Darren

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Re: Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2012, 19:17:56 »
I used Chequered Flag, car arrived a couple of weeks ago via shared container and no damage. Starting in Utah via Long Beach and unloaded at Thamesport.

Photo's were taken and emailed prior to being picked up in Utah and also again at Long Beach, CA before being loaded into a container.

My costs where:
Freight                            £849.18
US Export Docs                £49.18
US Collection                   £455.73
UK Landed costs              £295.00
UK Customs Clearance     £60.00
Marine Insurance            £155.00
Insurance Premium Tax   £8.23

I applied to HMRC and got the 5% this was forwarded onto Chequered Flag.

Jamie at Chequered Flag was very helpful from start to finish. All I had to do was turn up and collect the car, everything was managed by them.

If anyone needs advice for filling the paperwork then pm me. Very simple and straightforward process.

Hope this information helps.

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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2012, 17:35:09 »
I have shipped my 230SL in the fall of 2009 from Denver to Rotterdam.

The costs were:
transport and insurance Denver - Houston - Rotterdam   € 1.332
handling at Rotterdam   € 447
custom fares   € 85
6% VAT   € 1.187

The car was shipped over land to Houston and from there on shipped by Maersk to Rotterdam. In Houston it was timbered into a 40 feet container (see pictures), on top of a Jaguar mark II and an BMW 635csi.

I choose Rotterdam because it was the quickest route and in Holland (at that time) I was sure that I would only pay 6% of VAT and no import taxes. From there on I could export the car to any country in the European Community without paying further VAT, even if the country of destiny has higher VAT-fares.

First I considered to ship the car ro-ro from Houston to Zeebrugge but the shipping agent warned me that the car could be damaged if it wouldn’t start and had to be pushed (by a forklift?) on board. There is also a risk that anything of value within the car could get … lost while crossing as a mean of second income to the underpaid crew.

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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2012, 17:26:40 »

Personal import of the car attracts a duty of 5% - to get that I'm guessing you need to be resident

There a number of dealers who do this but for someone from the US: but ~20% import tax will be applied. Then you'd have to get the cash home. Best off selling it there and passing the risk off on the buyer. Enough people take the risk...

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How much more money can one get for a nice 280sl in Europe versus USA?  Maybe it is worth the time and risk

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Re: Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2013, 19:28:46 »
Since I started this post, it's about time I conclude it!

I finally had my '67 230SL shipped from the Port of New York to Rotterdam last September-October of last year.  The car had been in storage for several years in Ann Arbor, Michigan. I used Reliable Carriers Inc. for covered trucking from Detroit to the Port of New York, and from there it was shipped to Rotterdam through CFR Rinkens, a broker based near Los Angeles.

I was familiar with Reliable, as I used to work in Detroit for General Motors, and Reliable does much of the car hauling for the Big Three automakers. They used covered haulers and are very experienced and have a large fleet, so it is easy to get a truck that suits your timing for your overseas transport. I picked CFR as they have a nice container setup for shipping cars overseas, and they were cost-competitive. They have a good website that explains their shipping process and unique container setup.

The car arrived without a scratch, I'm happy to report, and started right up. The only problem was back on the East Coast of the U.S. When the car arrived at the port storage area in New Jersey, the VIN was logged into the warehouse's computer without the last few numbers. So when they went to search for it under the number I gave them, they could not find it!  I had images of it being stolen by a New Jersey gang of car thieves and resold on the black market!  Fortunately, after a couple of nervous days, the shipping receiver and the trucker figured out the problem and the car had been safe in the port warehouse all the time.

In the end, it cost me nearly 2900 EUR (or 3736 USD) for everything:

     --USD 800 for the trucking from Detroit to New York
     --USD 1095 for shipping to Rotterdam
     --USD 600 for insurance coverage in transit to Rotterdam
     --EUR 952 for handling, customs fees and 6% import VAT in Rotterdam.

I was taken aback by the insurance charge, but I think CFR just overcharges for insurance so they can lowball on the shipping charge.  Best to consider both charges together, as you'd be foolish not to have insurance coverage should the ship sink. Your normal car coverage in the U.S. will only cover it until it is loaded on the ship. In any case, CFR's price was competitive and they were good to work with, returning emails fairly quickly.

The Dutch VAT remained a mystery until the car arrived in Holland.  No one seemed to be able to give me a clear answer on what I would be charged.  As I am a resident of Holland (I'm an American expat working here), I was charged 6 percent ... but the tax was based on what I paid for the car in 1981!  So the VAT was far less than I expected, only EUR 322.  I had considered trying to get an import exemption to include the car as part of my moving possessions, but I was past the one-year grace period and it wasn't worth the hassle of applying.

My car is now in the good hands of Van Dijk, the SL specialist in nearby Lisserbroek. I've decided to have them do a complete engine overhaul, which is long overdue, and to fix a few other minor things. I've been very impressed with their knowledge of these cars and the quality of their work. I'm expecting it to be done in the next couple in months in time for some spring driving.

I can endorse some of the advice of others on this post: check out different shippers, get quotes, ask around. Prices do vary somewhat. The VAT issue depends on what country you are shipping to, and I suspect your residency may make a difference as well. It is not always easy to get an answer from the bureaucracy, as I found, so best to talk to someone on here who has recently shipped into the country you want to ship to.  Even the company that handled my car when it arrived was unsure what the cost would be ... ultimately, the Customs agent onsite decides.

Also, SLs definitely fetch more money in Europe ... especially in Germany. When I arrived to pick up my car at the warehouose south of Rotterdam, there was probably a dozen very beat-up W113 SLs that dealers had shipped over from the U.S. ... most with California or Florida plates. Restorers get them on the cheap in the U.S., fix them up and sell them over here to willing buyers.

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Re: Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2013, 22:26:22 »
Brian,
thanks for this very informative update. Was the car shipped in a container or "drive on - drive off" ?
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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2013, 22:29:56 »
Container with two other cars.

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Re: Shipping from U.S. to Europe
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2013, 07:00:58 »
Call Joanna (310) 635-3604 she shipped my 1970 280SL from LA to Dubai for 1600, also shipped 1970 and 1969 for my friends in Dubai from NY to Dubai for 1200 she is very responsive

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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2013, 19:57:07 »
New to the forum and going to be the owner of a 71 pagoda when it arrives from USA next week

I'm now competing he forms for customs and need  some help with identifying the numbers

I have managed to get the data card and checked the technical pages but I'm struggling identifying where the chassis number is,I'm confused as I'm not sure if it's part of the VIN or some ogre number

My car has a data card number 4

Please can anyone help

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