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Title to car
« on: June 22, 2004, 13:49:09 »
Is anyone familiar with the fact that New York State does not issue a title certificate for cars older than 1973? Will this impact the future saleability of the car? any other thoughts? thanks,

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Re: Title to car
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2004, 14:25:22 »
Yes, that's correct. For pre-73 cars in NY, the registration card is transferable and acts as the title should you sell the car.

In my experience, this does not affect resale value.

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Re: Title to car
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2004, 16:19:38 »
If you happen to move to another state, or sell the car to someone who does, the DMV in that state will have, and use, a book listing titling procedures in all states. They can easily look up "pre-73" and "New York" and see that you're not trying to pull a fast one.

There are several states that issue registrations instead of titles for older cars, and helping folks in states with more onerous titling rules seems to be a good source of revenue for some of them.

I bought my car from the original owner, and had the son of a friend pick it up. When he did so, he also collected the title. Somehow, during the process of bringing the car to me, he lost the title. I asked the seller to go to their DMV (in California) and get a replacement title, but they got confused and got a replacement registration, instead.

When I saw it, I immediately noticed the VIN ended in "00912" instead of "009112", which was stamped on the car. This meant, I think, that the car had never had the correct VIN on the paperwork. Since the car stayed in one state, and registration was just renewed each year, this was not a problem. In fact, the seller didn't believe me when I told her the number did not match the car.

To title a car in Colorado that is brought from out of state, one must get the VIN verified, and if I had done that (after getting the replacement title), I'd have presented the DMV with documents containing two different, though similar, VINs. No telling what problems this would have caused.

So, I got a title from International Titling Service, or something like that, a Nevada outfit that has a website. It cost me about $150, and about 10 days later, I received a Maine title and bill of sale from a Maine car dealer, and these papers were mailed to me from Atlanta, Georgia. I then got the VIN verified and took the Maine paperwork with the VIN verification to the DMV and got a Colorado Title. It is a normal title, not a salvage title.

There are a lot of ways to be creative in titling vehicles!
Joe

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Re: Title to car
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2004, 17:38:52 »
As it happens, I just purchased a 67 250SL from a seller in New York, and I live in Texas.  No problem: the people at the Dallas County Tax Collector office, which issues titles here, knew that NY doesn't issue titles for older cars but took my application for a Texas title on the basis of the previous owner's NY registration, signed over to me.  I called up to make sure this would work before I bought the car, since I knew that Texas isn't a "Bill of Sale" state--i.e., requires more than that.  But it worked out okay.  So I doubt it has any affect on saleability.  Like Joe, I found an error on the VIN for the previous owner's registration, but there was a form to fill out and get notorized to get that corrected officially.  So no problem.

Rick

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Re: Title to car
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2004, 07:52:52 »
Gentlemen, I have been through this before.

New York State introduced a title law in 1973, however it did not require (though many did get one) cars that were NOT titled at that time to get one.  "Grandfathered" is the word I think.

Every state has a means of getting a title to an untitled vehicle; in my case it was having a proper bill of sale (from my aunt who owned the car) AND having a Registry/Secretary of State or DMV personnel OR a police officer inspect the VIN on the actual car.  They then placed this VIN on a special form, and that with the bill of sale comprised tha application for a title.  It helped to have an old registration with the VIN number on it.


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