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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2013, 22:32:40 »
I drool with envy when I see pictures like these.

It was long ago and far away...
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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2013, 05:49:23 »
Garry,

KBS products have clear paint products as well as high temp paints. I haven't used them yet but I used there other paint system which appears very good although the proof is in the pudding. Take a look if you're interested...their technicians are available on the phone too, seem pretty knowledgeable....

http://www.kbs-coatings.com.au/

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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2013, 08:51:55 »
Michael,
by saying "it as long time ago and far away", I would expect that you are suggesting that by now your engine looks even better...  :D
« Last Edit: January 11, 2013, 12:33:48 by Flyair »
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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2013, 12:14:33 »
Sorry, Guys,

The exhaust manifolds are correctly installed for RHD.

The mod was done to bypass the steering box which would be in the way if LHD manifolds were used  :'( :'(

Naj

Wow, so the pipes go forward, then down and finally towards the rear?  Makes sense with the steering gear there.  I guess you can tell how many RHD cars I've seen :-)  I would have been the guy trying to fix it after installing incorrectly the first time.
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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2013, 12:31:50 »
Michael,
by saying "it as long time ago and far away", I would expect that you are you suggesting that by now your engine looks even better...  :D

No, sadly.  >:(  It is exceedingly difficult to maintain an engine bay, even with casual driving in nice weather, and regular cleaning... :(
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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2013, 12:36:19 »
It makes me think that the must is to have two Pagodas. One to pamper, keep clean indoors and show off only if strictly required, and the other, a daily driver, full enjoyment and provider of simple pleasures ;).

Maybe this is a suggestion to make to Mr Bracq Junior, who has two of them???? :)
« Last Edit: January 11, 2013, 14:00:40 by Flyair »
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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2013, 13:19:58 »

Wow, so the pipes go forward, then down and finally towards the rear?  Makes sense with the steering gear there.  I guess you can tell how many RHD cars I've seen :-)  I would have been the guy trying to fix it after installing incorrectly the first time.

Hi, Peter

Down pipe pic attached to show routing...

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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2013, 06:12:40 »
Hey Garry and guys,

I was looking at the engine pictures and noticed the configuration of the metal water pipe from the water pump housing.

On my early 250SL the water pipe routes from the pump housing to the inlet manifold then returns to the injection pump temperature sensor housing via a small rubber hose.

I notice on Garrys' engine the direction of the metal pipe and water flow is the opposite direction with the metal pipe being directed first to the injection pump temperature sensor housing  and obviously returning to the inlet manifold then back to the pod on the side of the block.

Was this a configuration difference between the 250SL and 280SL?

I have not seen this difference before.

I wonder what benefit this change would have on the engines? cooling or heating benefits ect

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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2013, 08:03:44 »
Interesting point Bob,  remember its a Sep '65 230SL and I have attached a photo of a 280SL that I think was Bob Possel's rebuild.  You can see quite a few differences from both the water pump and the routing to the IP.

I will go and have another look tomorrow and get some further photos.

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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2013, 22:51:39 »
Some more photos to look at.  The gearbox was removed from the car and fitted to the engine and then the whole front end was attached.
The whole lot was then fitted back into the car as one piece yesterday afternoon.
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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2013, 23:07:48 »
Some more
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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2013, 23:08:59 »
and more still
« Last Edit: January 15, 2013, 23:13:32 by Garry »
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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2013, 00:01:20 »
Garry,
Looking fantastic, just fantastic.
Sorry I have nothing more intelligent to say.
Just simple praise.
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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2013, 00:45:56 »
Looking good Gary. Did you ever paint the aluminum valve cover and intake manifold or leave them natural?

How much fun are you having?

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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2013, 01:20:13 »
At the moment I have left them all natural.  Still thinking about coating the entire thing after fitting it all back together rather than individually.
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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2013, 05:02:00 »
Now have finally got the engine back in the car.  Note the orange heat resistant tape is on the heater hose near the exhaust.  What do other 230 owners have there. Is there meant to be a shield?

Third photo shows the depths you need to go to when the Heater has one of the inlet pipes break away.  You know what the saying is.  "Start with the Heater Box and build the car around it."  Well this is proving to be just that to fix.  But whilst in there several other items can be done up as well like, gauges, wood, wiring, heater leavers, wiper drives.  It never stops, ever.
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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2013, 08:12:12 »
Alot of RHD sedans have a section of steel pipe in the middle of that heater hose above the ex.pipe.
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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2013, 11:22:36 »
Garry,

That is one sweet looking engine bay. love the color combo too.

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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2013, 13:07:33 »
Garry. Absolutely great! Looking at the engine bay is a pure pleasure, especially during winter season  ;) please do not forget to share pics once the restoration is done.

And as for the heater... My mechanic just opened that area and while it looked quite decent from outside, thre was a huge mess inside.... Well most of the items went to restoration and a few hundred bucks accompanied the parts ;)
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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2013, 22:31:10 »
Am still hoping to get it out on the road in two/three weeks to do the run-in of the engine and get some photos of the car.
Hope I am not too optimistic ;D
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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2013, 05:19:14 »
Hi Garry

Looking GOOD and love the colour!

Just got back after 280k's in the Pagoda today ( ;D great day for it) - and had a look at that heater pipe that you have orange tape on.

I have an airconditioning compressor in that 'void' above it, but the heater pipe is a good 60mm from the exhaust (I think yours must be a lot closer, judging by the photo) - so there is no shielding.

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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2013, 06:13:50 »
Richard

It had air-conditioning and the compressor there but I decided to go pure and ditch the Air-conditioning so don't know quite how it should be there.

I need some Pagoda time and getting desperate for a drive.
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Re: Engine Rebuild
« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2013, 06:28:54 »
You know that you are welcome anytime - also we owe Joe a visit.