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Kirby583

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Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« on: February 08, 2013, 17:20:03 »
At 9:30 this morning I bought my first Mercedes 230sl. In my opinion it was a great find, it has been sitting in a barn in Charlotte since the mid 2000's and the owner was a quiet elderly gentleman who no longer had interest in the car. I saw the car months ago, or I should say i saw a head light peeking through a blue tarp sitting in a old open front barn sitting off the road. Last night on my way home from work I stopped by and asked if he had any interest in selling the car, and he said yes and told me a very reasonable price. This morning I went to the bank, paid him for the car and exchanged the title.

I go to pick the car up on Sunday. Admittedly, I know nothing about these cars. I have had MG's in the past and are familiar with those but this is far different. What I am asking is this, what are the first steps I should take to preserve/ wake the car up? The former owner told me that there was  nothing wrong with the car when it was parked and like I said it has been sitting for about 6 years.

What to do?   Here are some links to the photos I took this morning.

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« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 20:27:02 by Kirby583 »

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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2013, 17:52:03 »
There are quite a number of posts on the site about bringing a car back to life, you can use the search function and experiment a bit. (I just tried with "barn" in the search line, and limited to topic line only - got two pages, that should be a start)

The usual suspects apply - gelled gas, grit in the fuel system, brake system hoses, caliper issues, coolant that may also have gelled up, water accumulation in the oil, tires.

Good luck, (can you compress the photos in one of the standard MS programs?) would love to see the pictures.
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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2013, 18:38:21 »
Congrats ... many will be jealous.   Hopefully you'll be able to post the photos ...

As mentioned, the search function will yield hours of reading ... here's one I recall reading ...


http://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=15861.0
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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2013, 20:27:41 »
Thank you gentlemen for the advise, I hope to have her up and running next week...God willing!
« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 21:10:19 by Kirby583 »

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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2013, 21:29:04 »
welcome to the Pagoda addict club, sometimes called SL113 Group :)

the car looks great, she has definitely a very decent provenience. Did you learn the story of the car from the previous owner? ab=nd would it be too much of an indiscretion to ask what was the price?
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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2013, 21:54:59 »
Flyair,

Thank you for your greetings. I have not asked the previous owner too much of the car's history and here is the reason why. When I did ask him how he got the car he said that the car had originally belonged to his son, and that his son had passed away along time ago. He seemed like he did not want to talk about the subject, so I did not press him. He did tell me that when his son passed the car was in a mechanic's shop and that he had to pay the mechanic's bill when he was settling his estate. After he paid the mechanic he decided to keep the car, this was in 1993. He told me that he had kept the car running until the mid 2000's when his health became too bad to "tinker" with it. He said that he backed it into the barn, took the battery out and there it sat until I knocked on his door last night.

I saw the car a few months ago, when I was going shooting at a friend's property much further down the same road. The day I saw it, I stopped and knocked on the owner's door and no one answered. Last night around 6:30, had a thought that I should follow up on the car. I knew it was an early Mercedes SL but I had no idea beyond that. I followed up on my instincts, and stopped by on my way home from work. I knocked on the door and he answered I introduced myself and gave him my business card, which has nothing to do with old cars, and asked him if he had any interest in selling the car and he looked at his wife and said, "yes" and then asked him how much he wanted for the car and he told me "2,500." So, not having ever been withing 500 feet of the car I asked him if I could go back to the barn and look at it, he said, "sure." So, in the cold and rain we had here last night I went back and looked at the car using my cell phone as a flash light.

After I looked at the car, thinking this was a good deal I called him on the number he had given me at the door earlier and told him I would take it. I offered to give him a deposit, but he said to just pay him tomorrow. I came back this morning at 9:30 after I went to the bank and exchanged the money for the title, and arranged to come back Sunday to get the car. This morning I found out about the car's history with his son. If I get anymore information as to the history was well as any more pictures I will post them on here.

Thanks to everyone for the kind words of encouragement.   

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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2013, 22:06:25 »
Kirby,

Thats a great story and a great find.  We look forward to updates and photos as the old beauty comes to life.

Ask lots of questions, there is a wealth of knowledge here on the site and many willing to give a help and advice,

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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2013, 06:14:51 »
If possible have the tank drained before u start it & put in 1-2 gallons fresh gas

The gas is most likely all water & will damage pistons in mechanical fuel injection if left in lines

Fresh gas and some squirts of fogging oil in each cylinder will ease things up and prevent scoring of cyclinder walls

After u get it out of their u can flush all fluids

Keep any and all parts no matter how bad they look...almost everything can be reconditioned


@ $2500 u scored....barn finds are highly desirable

Make sure to take 20 pics of all that dust as its hard to create 10yrs of dust


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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2013, 08:43:52 »
Hi,
great story and great fortune, congratulations!
Please keep us informed, thanks.
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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2013, 09:23:39 »
Thanks for sharing all the details with us. Most interesting! I am not expert like some other fellow members, but just from looking at the pictures, it appears that - although you say it is a 230SL model, it has the later style US bumpers as well as European headlights. So there were some modifications done to the car.

You may want to ask the seller who was the mechanic where the car was taken to (although it's been 20 years ago), but maybe by some unexpected chance, you would be able to track down some more interesting stories?

best of lucks…
 
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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2013, 21:13:08 »
I don't know if it has had any modifications or not, I would suppose so after 40 years. I agree though the front overriders look odd and there are none on the back. I would be interested to find out if this is a Euro model or if it just has Euro headlights. Do you know how to tell? 

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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2013, 21:23:27 »
 Hello Kirby
No bumper over rider's for sure and if it was actually a European model, I would suspect the speedometer would be in Kilometers. One way to find out for sure is look at the Data Card (if it is still with the car's manuals) and check the codes that are shown in the Forum's tech Manual. If not, contact the Mercedes Classic Center in Irvine CA, supply them with the VIN, they will email you a copy of the car's data card. Good luck on your project.

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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2013, 22:18:51 »
Great story and great find Kirby.  I'm sure it will look 1000% better once you wash all the dust off it.  What is the VIN?   There is a plate under the hood above the left front wheel with a couple lines of numbers on it.  This will tell you from what country it is from, original colour and some of the options that came with the car.  This is all explained in the Tech Manual once you start brousing through the site.  Post lots of pictures, we love pictures.
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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2013, 00:25:35 »
I don't get the car in my hands until 2pm on Sunday. But I do have the title and according to it the VIN is 230SL005359. I will have more pictures up tomorrow night when I get it back to the shop.

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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2013, 00:53:56 »
 The Mercedes VIN for your car should read 113 042 10 005359 (113 042 12 005359 if an automatic). My car has always been registered in California and the VIN shown on the registration slip is "280SL003820" which is similar to yours. Not sure if all states used that method for registration when the cars were new or not.

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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2013, 23:04:55 »
You did well.  Get it running and show lots of pictures of your progress.
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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2013, 14:44:54 »
Alright, here is the latest. I got the car back to the shop yesterday with little difficulty. The first thing I did was wash the car, and let me say, wow, it looks like a totally different car. (see pictures) We put it up on the lift and inspected the underside. Sadly, there is some rust, even holes in the floors and in the wheel wells but the rocker panels seem to be solid. But all in all I don't think the rust is a major issue and in my opinion it seems very minor for a 40 year old car. (see pictures) Shortly after we put the car up on the lift, my phone went dead so I was unable to take pictures of the rest of the afternoon but here is what happened. Per the advise of this forum, I drained the gas, oil and radiator. Pulled the plugs and injected marvel mystery oil into the ports. While letting that sit, I installed a new battery and reassembled the dash to make sure I was not missing any parts. I found that all the parts were there but one of the trim pieces were broken. With new coolant, gas, plugs and oil, the engine turned over and started with a large cloud of black smoke. Now to address the breaks! Let me know if anyone sees any thing unique or missing.

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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2013, 15:32:45 »
Awesome find.  You need to bring it to Williamsburg this fall!

Sorry if this has already been asked, but what's with the dash color?  Normally it's the same as the body color.  Any indications which color (the yellow dash, or blue body) is the original color?  If the body plate is still in place, it will give the original color codes.
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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2013, 16:16:50 »
Twistedtree,

Thank you for the invite to Williamsburg this fall, can you give me some more information on that event?

As to the dash, I had no clue there was anything strange about it! The color of the dash is faded white which makes it look yellow and the car is actually black. The body plate is till there, I can post the info on it soon.

-Kirby


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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2013, 16:35:15 »
Take a look at the Events section of the forum.  You will find info for the 50th anniversary celebration in September.  It should be a lot of fun.
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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2013, 16:38:21 »
Have you discovered the Technical Manual on this site?  It's a wealth of information.  As a starting point, it will help you decode all the numbers on the body plate and serial number plate (two different plates).  You can also find out what month in '64 your car was built.
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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2013, 18:31:58 »
Fantastic !!
I've said this before: I love the barn find stories.
You've got a lot of reading to do, but just so you know, the dash is supposed to be the exterior body color and those bumper overiders were not original on any Pagoda, USA or otherwise. They are sometimes confused with the USA version, but they are not the same.
GOOD LUCK.
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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2013, 22:04:54 »
I can only agree it’s fantastic to see barn finds like this. Congratulation!!
The car looks really nice when it got washed!

There is something odd things with the interior. As somebody mentioned the dash seems to be panted or if it’s the more usually way, the body has been resprayed.  Usually carpets and the upholstery have the same color. Here you have blue/black (hard to see which) carpets and the back of the backrests. If the interior should be correct it should have been red carpets.
All this can be sorted out by the data card and if that is missing, you can order a copy from Mercedes classic center.

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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2013, 22:14:18 »
Kirby,

while we are all get excited (and rightly so) about your lucky finding, I must tell you that your car looks dramatically better after just washing it. Super nice!

However I also must tell you that - in your remark that this Pagoda exceeded your expectations for a 40 year car - you are terribly wrong! :o

This is nearly a 50 year car… not 40! ;D   
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Re: Advise on a '64 Mercedes 230sl Barn Find
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2013, 22:37:54 »
Very nice.  48 hours from barn to starting!

Brakes - if they bind, you will read much about flex hoses and calipers.  There is a way to identify if the problem is hoses or calipers. 

Rust - also check two areas, under the car where the rear sub frame mounts, and remove the parcel shelves behind the seats and poke around in there.  If it's bad, spend more time and check under the sills next to the rockers.  Hopefully not too bad ...

You will very quickly discover what the original color was as you will find the numbers folks have mentioned.  Usually the dash is the original color of the car as it's a real pain to repaint.  Also normally, the engine bay is body color ... the numbers will tell you very quickly. 

Enjoy the discovery ...
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