Author Topic: Data card reconstruction (Read 14756 times)

Aligator · « **on:** March 11, 2013, 09:22:17 »

Hello,

From the Mercedes-Benz Classic Center, I ordered a copy data card of my W113.
I got a scan, however, only poor quality and only the first page.
I want to restore the card data to the original design.
I'm looking the back side of the card data.
I can not find the right pattern on the internet.
Maybe someone can help me.
Below I attach a scan the first page my data card.

Best regards
Martin

Jordan · « **Reply #1 on:** March 11, 2013, 12:49:12 »

Martin, there are several versions of the data card. You can find more information here if you haven't already done so http://www.sl113.org/wiki/DataCard/DataCards. There is only information on one side, the other side of the card is blank. Your card is far more legible than mine is. If you are having a problem reading some of the numbers play around with the shading and the magnification, I found this helped. Sometimes making it smaller helped delineate the numbers better.

pj · « **Reply #2 on:** March 11, 2013, 13:58:50 »

Hi Martin,
My 230SL is #009474 so if I read your data card correctly, our cars were very close in the production line. I have (what I think is) the original data card, so perhaps a comparison would be useful to you. How do you plan to "restore" the card?

Aligator · « **Reply #3 on:** March 11, 2013, 14:05:27 »

Hi Jordan,
thanks for answer. When I saw my DataCard I felt the same as you

And I had to pay for it...
Codes on my DataCard don't have any mistery for me hehehe

Are you sure there back side is always blank?
I found on the "Technical Manual" scan back side of DC but from another version.

BR
Martin

Aligator · « **Reply #4 on:** March 11, 2013, 14:16:25 »

Hi Pj,
I'am very impressed, this is like "back to the past"

I have a printing house company so it isn't problem for us (but I don't print a money

)
I will be very grateful for your help. Can you send me copy of your DataCard with exactly dimensions??

BR
Martin

49er · « **Reply #5 on:** March 11, 2013, 16:33:27 »

Much to my dismay, my original data card was "misplaced" when the process to begin making the car road worthy began a few years ago. The attached picture taken right before I left the car at the shop shows the original pink data card along with the "Things to do" list. I did receive a copy from the Classic Center and I can not recall if the back side of the original had anything printed on it.

John

66andBlue · « **Reply #6 on:** March 11, 2013, 16:48:17 »

I am sorry if I put the proverbial monkey wrench into this reproduction project. Call me old-fashioned but I am very uncomfortable if this succeeds.

We now have people reproducing the VIN plates already with whatever information one supplies to the plate maker. Thus, the only way one can verify how a car was delivered is by the data card for the car. If this project goes forward who guarantees that when you buy a car in the future the data card that comes with it is not a fake?? How much more confusion will this create when option codes disagree with what is on the car? How long will it take that we can buy blank data cards on the Internet? All you then need to do is fill in whatever YOU want your car to have had at birth.
Yes, we can always go back to Daimler and ask for the authentic one but it should not be necessary.
My $0.02.

Aligator · « **Reply #7 on:** March 11, 2013, 17:10:47 »

Hi Alfred,
Yes I know everything, and I have ORIGINAL car and this DataCard is exactly to my car... And this scan is everything what I can get from Mercedes Classic Center from Stuttgard... When I get application for this Data I had to prove legality of my own Pagoda. I DO NOT want to sell it on ebay!!! I have just a dream... Perfectly, originaly restore Pagoda...

I hope to Yours help. Thanks for answer

Martin

66andBlue · « **Reply #8 on:** March 11, 2013, 19:35:00 »

Martin,
of course you can reprint it for your own purpose, I have absolutely no problem with that.
My concern is that we should not look for ways to reprint these cards in general.
Enjoy your Pagoda!

Aligator · « **Reply #9 on:** March 11, 2013, 20:09:49 »

Hi Alfred,
I'm happy you understand me, and I understand your worries

BR
Martin

pj · « **Reply #10 on:** March 11, 2013, 21:52:03 »

Alfred and Martin,
It's good for me to read your back-and-forth on this topic. Part of me is very cynical and I want to say there is no longer any way to be sure you are getting anything authentic at all. Perhaps it's good enough that something looks authentic and we can verify that against what we know was originally there. But the other part of me wants to be noble and true so that we only accept the real authentic original thing. Then we trust each other and hope the guy who gives us a data card is not taking advantage of our trust.

And that applies to me. My data card is in much better shape than the rest of the car was. So I don't really know if it's a reproduction. But everything on it makes sense so far.

I'll get it out of the safety deposit box and make a better image of it to share with you.

DaveB · « **Reply #11 on:** March 11, 2013, 22:21:04 »

Hello Martin,
This is what I get from your card, is it correct?: light beige with havana brown hardtop/hubcaps, white grey soft top and white wall tyres. That combination is unusual and would look good! What is the interior colour? Starts with 1 so must be tex.

Jordan · « **Reply #12 on:** March 11, 2013, 22:55:32 »

Someone please correct me if I am wrong but I understand that the pink data card, as seen in 49er's photo is actually a duplicate of the original beige data card. When I bought my 114 a few years ago from the original owner he gave me two data cards, one beige and one pink. I hadn't seen a pink one before so asked him about it and he said MB told him it was a duplicate that he could keep in the glove box (in case he needed the trans or engine number for parts, or the colour etc). The beige one was for safe keeping. I don't have the 114 anymore so I can't remember if the key codes were on it.

49er · « **Reply #13 on:** March 11, 2013, 23:09:36 »

To the best of recollection, the pink card was the only data card I ever had. Maybe the dealer kept the beige one? All happened nearly 45 years ago so it is any bodies guess now.

John

Aligator · « **Reply #14 on:** March 12, 2013, 09:12:04 »

Hello DaveB,

Data from the card is correct. I think, however, that you are wrong read color of the softtop. In the card is 737 number, that is 437 brown.
Code of interior is 120: MB Tex - 2402 (cognac), Rubber Mat - 6450 (brown), Carpet - 6450 (brown).

BR
Martin

DaveB · « **Reply #15 on:** March 12, 2013, 21:25:14 »

Martin,

Some information on a similar car:

http://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=9476.0

http://velocity.discovery.com/mercedes-benz-230sl-concept-convertible.htm

Aligator · « **Reply #16 on:** March 13, 2013, 11:56:08 »

Hi Dave,

Yesterday I was in the service, where my Pagoda is restored.
I saw only the bare metal and ... I have to be patient.
I have to wait two months to see the finished result!
It is very difficult for me. D (((
Luckily for me it is still winter, and Pagoda does not like snow.

I Thank you very much for the video and photos. I feel much better. HEHEHEHE

BaronYoungman · « **Reply #17 on:** March 13, 2013, 17:59:01 »

OK, I am going a little off topic here, I HAVE NO PAPERWORK on mine... What can I get from Mercedes using my vin#? Do I go through my local dealer?
Bob

Aligator · « **Reply #18 on:** March 13, 2013, 20:35:21 »

If you have a vin number and ownership documents, please send an email to kyla.macklin@mbusa.com.
Ask for the car data. You will get decoded VIN.
Martin

Alex D · « **Reply #19 on:** March 13, 2013, 21:27:15 »

The Classic Center reviewed my Data Card and told me my carpet is multi loop. However, everyone who has been sent a sample says the carpet is 100% square weave. I have to go with what the experts (GAHH, World,,,) and people from this site are telling me, which is square weave. Classic Center is not always 100% correct.

Brian in NL · « **Reply #20 on:** March 18, 2013, 23:25:15 »

I agree with Alex. I asked the Classic Center to interpret my data card back in 2006 and some of the explanation of the codes made no sense. I later found out that Mercedes regularly changed codes for different models and years and even months. The best resource I have found for Mercedes codes from the W113 era is this Japanese link:

http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~mtor/mbcodedsc.html

Where the same code was used for different items, it shows the months and years for which the code was used for a specific item. For example, my 67 230 SL had a code 226, which the CC identified as "front back rest parts for headrest." 230s didn't come with headrests. In fact, the code for the year mine was built was for tinted glass on the side windows.

So do your research and question anything you get from the Classic Center. They make mistakes.

Brian

66andBlue · « **Reply #21 on:** March 19, 2013, 00:40:39 »

Hi guys,
there is no need to reinvent the wheels, round or oval ones, it doesn't matter!

Take a look in our technical manual and you will find that all is explained there.
http://www.sl113.org/wiki/DataCard/DataCards
http://www.sl113.org/wiki/DataCard/OptionCodes

Brian in NL · « **Reply #22 on:** March 19, 2013, 07:09:19 »

To my point, the list on here is a good start but is incomplete. It shows the code 226 representing hardware for an emergency triangle. My car has neither. In fact, there are several different options for that code, depending on the year-date of manufacturer.

Brian

66andBlue · « **Reply #23 on:** March 19, 2013, 07:49:06 »

Isn't that what the warning in the Technical manual means?

Not all options were available in all years of production, and in all countries. Depending on the distribution (Sales Market) area, options in one country may have been standard in another.

There are many more option codes than are shown here, some only applicable to specific countries, and apply only for certain time periods. Thus be careful, one option code can have more than one part associated with it; it depends on the time frame and/or the country.

Stuttgart68 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 28, 2013, 19:33:08 »

Hello,
I am interested into such a data card for my Mercedes 230 Sl (1965) as the only thing I got with the car was the Vehicle identification No. (113 042 1000 9830), and there was not other paper when I purchased the car. Please give me some guidline with this, should I contact MB in California, or Stuttgart?
Thanks Enzo

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