Pagoda Group Grill Badge

[Rolf-Dieter ✝︎]

So why not have our Members submit a photo and once we select one use it in the "Badge we plan to call our own, what can be sweeter then using one of our own, photographed and submitted by one of our Members? Or as has been suggested a sketch of that photo submitted by one of our Members?

Any thoughts along those lines?

[Garry]

Chuck,

You want to put it on the car

One of the problems with using a photo is to convert that to a limited number of colours and using our existing emblem produces something like this

[georgem]

I`m with you Gus - the mesh component of our grill is quite flimsy and set back a fair way so any badge would be hard to see. Maybe a badge that could be attached to the side of the number plate would be better - or even a key ring..............

[vande17941]

I didn't have a chance to read these complete post but I did see the topic. I can help design and manufacture a badge. Somebody just needs to tell me their opinions as to what they would like and we can put it together.

[mnahon]

Here's an example plagiarized from another badge found on the internet, just to show what is possible

[rutger kohler]

Hi, I have watched the posts in this this post with interest. To me, the key elements on the badge should be "pagoda group" and www.sl113.com.  Neither of these these terms can be objected to by others and the website address belongs to us and could act as a marketing tool to prospective members. Personally i don't think we need a picture of a pagoda on the badge. I like like the laurel leaves on the 300SL badge just discussed too.  Perhaps Pagoda group around the top from say 10"oclock to 2 o"clock, laurel leaves down to 8 o"clock and 4 o:clock on both sideds and then the web address from 8"oclock to 4 o"clock?

[RonB]

I like Rutger idea and then use the same style of image as they use on the 300 group.

Front 3/4 with top down and 3/4 rear with hard top on. (w113.)

If we do our own photos - there is no copy right issue.


I would not attach the badge to the grill. One needs to purchase badge holder and would attach to the license plate, either font or rear

[mdsalemi]

I think the idea from Ray Hays who threw it out here is to get some sketches together, not just ideas for others to use...

The Gull Wing Group has two cloisonné grille badges, shown below.

The use of the laurel design is an essential and integral element of all of the [sanctioned] MB club logos. It is integral and essential as it is derived from an older Mercedes-Benz logo. If we made something with it, it might be deemed inappropriate usage, as this too, is copyrighted; each club (such as the MBCA) is bound by usage agreeements, too. It doesn't make sense to court any potential issues, which is why Ray asked for something new.

So, as Ray said--let's come up with something original and distinctive that would be our own, and not using any copyrighted designs or photos to serve us well as a grille badge.

I've never been fond of the photo we currently have for use in a "logo", but that's just my opinion not shared by all. I personally don't like photos in logos, my own belief is that logos should be graphic representations, not photographic. The one chosen does not convey our "international" status which is very important to a lot of people. Surely it is a well known photo but of one specific car, used in a limited fashion that was not indicative of the Pagoda's lot in life. Since we are many cars to many people all around the world, the logo/badge that I come up with (if I can beat Ray's deadline!) as an offering will try to convey that.  Text, as it were, is something that can always be added, deleted and changed as need be. You can use a logo with or without a web address, for example.

[Matt113]

I'm a professional photographer based in Prague. My 280SL (Silver/red) is near completion (ETA 10 days.....) I would be happy to do photos and hand over complete copyright control to the group.

Matthew

[66andBlue]

... To me, the key elements on the badge should be "pagoda group" and www.sl113.com.  .....

How is that one? Laurels and colors can be added too.
There is a screw head where the "Star" is for mounting. I believe, even Michael will agree that this would not violate any perceived copyright issues.  

[Nate]

What about a Pagoda SL Group license plate frame for US and Canadian tags?

[mdsalemi]

How is that one? Laurels and colors can be added too.
There is a screw head where the "Star" is for mounting. I believe, even Michael will agree that this would not violate any perceived copyright issues.  

Great start! I like it. Needs some refinement but it ticks some boxes here. Of course you've annoyed our friends in Australia, NZ, Hong Kong and UK with a LHD car but some compromises must be made!

Don't blame me Alfred, I've heard from many people--you do NOT want the MB lawyers knocking on your door so best to get smart and play nice.

[66andBlue]

Great start! I like it. Needs some refinement but it ticks some boxes here. ....

OK, fire up your graphics program, Michael, finish it and grab the laurels - but don't forget to add them first! 
They are not copyright or trademark protected, though Ovid and Caesar might turn in their graves:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurel_wreath

[Rolf-Dieter ✝︎]

Gentleman, what about asking The Designer if we can use his drawing in our badge/logo he has meet many of us including Michaeal I'm sure he would feel horned if we ask him. All he can say is no ... I cannot think of a better artist then the designer of our cars.

Any thoughts?

Just so no one get's excited the attached image is a photo that I have taken of a print that I purchased and had framed, it resides in my man cave. So I hope I have not broken any copyright laws by posting it here

[rutger kohler]

I really like the 66 and blue design if the laurels are included.  The front-on view defines the pagoda look,  I can overlook the steering on wheel being on the wrong side too!

[Matt113]

I like 66 and Blue's design too, keep it simple! I found the 300SL badge too cluttered.

[Flim]

I like 66 and blue's attempt as well. I was working on something similar myself. Here is my attempt so far (still a work in progress..... map to fit within blue outline and pagoda line drawing should be translucent etc...).

I agree, the laurels would make a nice addition.

Charles

[batman]

Just a comment. I like Alfred's design as a start but I also wonder whether a SIDE or ANGLED profile of the car could be better than front on, to show the distinctive roofline .

[RonB]

I am with Mark as a 3/4 view - slightly elevated is probable one of the best angles.

It will show roof line - elegant lines of the front, side and roof line all in one image.

With the addition of a laurel with bring to the top.

We need to remember that these badges will be around a long time.

Ron

[Flyair]

There is a screw head where the "Star" is for mounting. I believe, even Michael will agree that this would not violate any perceived copyright issues.  

Alfred...
especially if the screw is a special one.... with three wings...

would need a special screwdriver for it, but it is worth the effort: no copy rights violated
like here: http://www.phillips-screw.com/tri-wing.php

or something like on the images below

[66andBlue]

I like 66 and blue's attempt as well. I was working on something similar myself. Here is my attempt so far (still a work in progress..... map to fit within blue outline and pagoda line drawing should be translucent etc...).
I agree, the laurels would make a nice addition.
Charles

Hello Charles,
adding a globe in the background is a great idea, love it!
Please keep us up to date on your progress.

[/quote]

Alfred...
especially if the screw is a special one.... with three wings...

Stan, nice twist on the mounting screw.
However, I believe it is better to have a threaded stud on the back for mounting or a mounting extension at the bottom. The badge could be screwed onto a short bracket for which allows mounting to the license plate or other points.
Here is a pic showing how the German Pagode badge is mounted.

[Garry]

If we are looking at the possible world map in the background, as a Mercator map, then it may be a good idea having an oval badge rather than round which can be done by a/the badge maker if we wanted it that way.

Garry

[Raymond]

I'm so proud of you guys!  There are some great ideas cooking.  If we can truly have a Logo as opposed to an emblem, it could serve us in so many areas beyond only a badge.  I want to stick to the June 1 deadline so that we can turn this from discussions and ideas into a reality. 

Remember:  No copyright infractions. No star, laurels, if used, must be different; they can be an homage.  We are international.  Simple is probably better than detailed.  6 colors is likely a maximum.  It does not have to be round. 

I look forward to seeing your designs.

[66andBlue]

....  I look forward to seeing your designs.

... and yours too! No cop outs. 

[Peter van Es]

Note that with the right software we can have the world map visible through the Pagoda.... I think that would look better. Here's an experiment (I'm on my work computer so don't have all the graphics tools available to remove all the stuff outside of the oval). This can't be used as I don't know who owns the pagoda picture



This is what the German official club also has... I rather like their drawing of the Pagoda... maybe we can find out who produced that...