Author Topic: factory finish spec engine (Read 20421 times)

pagoda113 · « **on:** May 07, 2015, 20:03:16 »

Hi all

Can anyone please supply me with some pictures. I would like to know and see what 230sl engine and engine bay factory spec looked like when leaving the factory. I have been on the internet and there are so many claims this is the finish and different versions. So please someone supply me with the exact finsh pictures or pictures ?

Thanks

mbzse · « **Reply #1 on:** May 07, 2015, 20:53:24 »

Quote from: pagoda113

.../... pictures. I would like to know and see what 230sl engine and engine bay factory spec looked like when leaving the factory.../...

Well, one start is this posting on this Forum http://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=22024.msg157136#msg157136
/Hans in Sweden
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Garry · « **Reply #2 on:** May 07, 2015, 21:59:52 »

Pagoda113

Hans engine bay is a 280SL(LHD) and here is another of a 230SL (RHD) as close to original as I could get but not complete.

Is there any specific area you want a photo of?

Garry

pagoda113 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 08, 2015, 09:50:39 »

Thanks for the two replies. yes very helpful on both. yes mainly what parts exactly were plated when leaving the factory and also any stickers that were placed on items in the engine bay and what they looked like.

Thanks

mbzse · « **Reply #4 on:** May 08, 2015, 10:22:09 »

Quote from: pagoda113

.../...what parts exactly were plated when leaving the factory.../...

Guess we do not have a "list" as such in the Tech Wiki. Hmm
Well, in general cast or pipe metal items were yellow cad plated.
Hose clamps (Norma and band types) were silver grey plated
In some positions the nicely yellow cad items were painted over (in black) when a sub unit was painted as a whole before or during assembly in Sindelfingen.

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.../... stickers that were placed on items in the engine bay and what they looked like.../..

The stickers differed between models over time. In the Wiki you find those suitable for a US vehicle. In Europe the text was often in German or multi language. There are sticker kits you can buy, for instance fron VdH in Germany
/Hans in Sweden
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Artur · « **Reply #5 on:** May 08, 2015, 12:39:05 »

Here you have engine bay picture....

Garry · « **Reply #6 on:** May 08, 2015, 13:45:29 »

Pagoda113,

if you are going to get serious about doing up your car and that will necessitate keeping it in good running order then you would do well to join the Group as a Full Member

giving you full access to the Technical Manual, especally to firstly do the Linkage Tour to obtain optumim running for the car and also access to some of the early Pagoda Notes that cover some of this. There are just too many variations to be able to answer the questions and you need to have a very careful read of both Tech Manual and maybe something like the Meridith Restorers Guide to get a comprehensive understanding of differences.

Garry

PIP1947 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 17, 2015, 15:57:03 »

Hi Garry. Your 230 SL engine bay is stunning indeed. Makes me feel a bit embarrassed at the state of my untidy 280SL motor. I would like a few tips on how to achieve that 'factory fresh' look and would be grateful for whatever information you can impart. Perhaps I will take 'Goldie' on a drive to Victoria and see your car in the flesh. Regards, Philip French January 1968 280SL, Tunis Beige Metallic.

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #8 on:** May 17, 2015, 16:06:27 »

When I'm building an engine for a customer I give them a range of options, one of which is "factory fresh appearance" which is twice the cost of a basic engine build.
It requires every sub-assembly to be stripped down to the smallest component and every one of those components has to be individually restored to factory finish.
It's a LOT of work.

Flyair · « **Reply #9 on:** May 17, 2015, 20:41:34 »

Garry,
I am shocked. How can you show your engine bay as an example of correctness... and where is the cap of your washer tank

Benz Dr. · « **Reply #10 on:** May 17, 2015, 21:25:24 »

Quote from: stickandrudderman on May 17, 2015, 16:06:27

When I'm building an engine for a customer I give them a range of options, one of which is "factory fresh appearance" which is twice the cost of a basic engine build.
It requires every sub-assembly to be stripped down to the smallest component and every one of those components has to be individually restored to factory finish.
It's a LOT of work.

Only those who have ever done this job can say this with an air of truth behind them.

Matt113 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 28, 2015, 14:17:42 »

There is a photo on the Official Mercedes website:

https://mercedes-benz-publicarchive.com/marsPublic/en/instance/picture/Typ-230-SL.xhtml?oid=135269&ls=L2VuL2luc3RhbmNlL2tvLnhodG1sP3Jlc3VsdEluZm9UeXBlSWQ9MTcyJm9pZD00NzA3JnJlbElkPTEwMDEmZnJvbU9pZD00NzA3JmJvcmRlcnM9dHJ1ZQ==&rs=8

Jonny B · « **Reply #12 on:** May 28, 2015, 15:10:42 »

If you click on the link in the previous post, be sure to tab through the other pictures. Lots from the advertising of the period. Cool stuff. Also a shot of the engine alone.

49er · « **Reply #13 on:** May 28, 2015, 15:26:38 »

I have posted these photos many times but will again since they might be hard to find. Not a 230SL but still might be helpful. BW was taken day 1 so that is about as factory fresh as it gets. Color was taken 6 months later. Castrol sticker was put on by the dealer. Previous post showing my 250SL engine bay was taken soon after delivery as well. Engine bay was neat and tidy but not the work of art as I have seen on some restorations (sloppy welds, bushed touch up paint here and there).

John

Naj ✝︎ · « **Reply #14 on:** May 29, 2015, 06:49:23 »

Quote from: 49er on May 28, 2015, 15:26:38

I have posted these photos many times but will again since they might be hard to find. Not a 230SL but still might be helpful. BW was taken day 1 so that is about as factory fresh as it gets. Color was taken 6 months later. Castrol sticker was put on by the dealer. Previous post showing my 250SL engine bay was taken soon after delivery as well. Engine bay was neat and tidy but not the work of art as I have seen on some restorations (sloppy welds, bushed touch up paint here and there).

John

Wot? no emission control relays?

naj

Peter h · « **Reply #15 on:** May 29, 2015, 11:08:05 »

i also dont see it......

49er · « **Reply #16 on:** May 29, 2015, 13:42:53 »

Not sure when emission controls were mandated but this is the way the car came. There is a micro switch on the the throttle linkage to shut off the FIP when letting off the accelerator. Not sure if that qualifies.

John

Jonny B · « **Reply #17 on:** May 29, 2015, 15:39:48 »

49er, as your car is a reasonably early 280 SL, it is difficult to see in the photo. Is there area around the fuse box (the expose part of the firewall) and the pad painted in black (dark grey)?

49er · « **Reply #18 on:** May 29, 2015, 16:13:24 »

Hi Jonny,
It is painted white. You can also make out in this photo where they touched up, with a brush, the area that was masked off around the emergency light socket.

John

Jonny B · « **Reply #19 on:** May 29, 2015, 17:50:51 »

Thanks for the photo!

Naj ✝︎ · « **Reply #20 on:** May 29, 2015, 18:52:22 »

Quote from: 49er on May 29, 2015, 13:42:53

Not sure when emission controls were mandated but this is the way the car came. There is a micro switch on the the throttle linkage to shut off the FIP when letting off the accelerator. Not sure if that qualifies.

John

Hi, John,

Seems to me like you have a hybrid ! US spec car with euro engine?

Even some 250SLs already had the emission relays.

ctaylor738 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 29, 2015, 22:32:56 »

The 250s that I've seen have the big speed relay and smaller relay on the left inner fender to actually shut the pump off. The firewall switch simply tells the speed relay that the throttle is closed. I wonder what the switch on your car actually does if you don't have the other stuff.

Cheers,

49er · « **Reply #22 on:** May 30, 2015, 02:23:36 »

As you can see in post no. 5 in this thread (photo of my 250SL delivered May '67) and my 280SL, neither had any large relays. They were both ordered through authorized Mercedes dealerships with Mercedes invoices. The '69 was built in July '68 but was registered as a ’'69 and listed as such on the bill of sale. The 280 passed all California emission tests held every other year starting in 1984. The car is no longer required to have a "smog check" due to it's age.

John

hkollan · « **Reply #23 on:** May 30, 2015, 05:35:42 »

Hi,

Of the two early 280's i have, the automatic trans. car has the fuel shut off relays and the other a manual transmission car
does not.
I believe these relays where only used on automatic cars, and that early manual trans car like John's
and my #11304410001022 did not have them to control the fuel shut off solenoid.
My early automatic car #11304412000440 has the relays as shown in Naj's picture.

From the tech manual:

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Frank: this problem is characteristic of USA cars of MY 68 or later. One of the smog controls implemented on these cars shuts off the injection pump under certain conditions, most notably coasting in 3rd or 4th gear at engine speeds above 1,250 rpm.

Hans

Naj ✝︎ · « **Reply #24 on:** May 30, 2015, 13:45:31 »

Hi, Hans,

Its all clear now.
Kemal's 70/71 US car with manual transmission here in the UK has no signs of these relays ever being there.
I just assumed someone had done a nice conversion job and removed the extra wiring. It even has an '051' cast iron distributor.

Thanks
naj

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