Stainless braided brake hoses

[Raymond]

Has anyone every fitted their car with stainless braided brake hoses?  They come as a ready made kit for many other cars.  If I could get the specs for the connectors, I'd have them made.

Good idea on the slave cylinder hose.  I forgot to ask about it.

[hauser]

   There are no longer available off the shelf. 

   They can however be assembled from parts.  I'm having this done to my car while it's at SL Tech along with upgraded brake pads.

[Naj ✝︎]

Has anyone every fitted their car with stainless braided brake hoses?  They come as a ready made kit for many other cars.  If I could get the specs for the connectors, I'd have them made.

Hi, Ray,

H/w brake pipe sizes:

Front: 420mm long. Male thread on one end 10mmx1mm, Female thread on the other end 10mmx1mm   Two required.

Rear Right: 220mm long  Male thread on one end 10mmx1mm, Female thread on the other end 10mmx1mm  one required

Rear Left: 240mm Long   Female thread on both ends 10mmx1mm One required

Check out this:
http://www.deerfieldprecision.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=32&osCsid=c988b27480b758007cd62ff9d4c2ba00

naj

[Raymond]

Another excellent solution by the Amazing Naj!  Thanks.

[sandcrab59]

NAJ
Deerfield Precision was a good suggestion. I can buy these lines for my 300SD.
I agree with Raymond, NAJ is the greatest, there is a extremely few points that NAJ does not know about these cars.

[Naj ✝︎]

Maybe one of you guys (on that side of the pond) could talk to Deerfield to make the 2 rear pipes.
The 2 fronts may be the same as the later 124/126 models.

naj

[sandcrab59]

Naj & Raymond:
I just ordered a set from Precision( They are close to me and I could drive there, they are closer to Kevin Caputo than me, This just a comment) for my 300sd W126, front and rear.
When they arrive I will go under my 250SL and 280SL and see if they are the same front and rear.
Tom M

[Raymond]

I'm expecting to hear back from Deerfield about making all 4 as a set for the 280SL with pricing.  I sent them Naj's specs and the fellow didn't seem to think it was a problem.  I also contacted a company in Alabama that makes custom "DOT approved" brake lines.  They said it wouldn't be a problem, but asked me to send a picture.    

[sandcrab59]

Ray:
Call Deerfield back and ask them if the front and rear brake lines for the 300SD W126 120 chasis are the same as Naj's specs you gave them.
If they match, problem solved, also save me from crawling under both cars to see if they match.
Tom

[VincentR]

Hello All,

I bought my set made by BF Goodridge under reference TME0270-4P on ebay germany.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Goodridge-Stahlflexleitungen-Brakeline-Kit-Mercedes-W113-TME0270-4P-/381130199778

Have a nice day!
Best regards.
VincentR
France

[sandcrab59]

Raymond:
received my lines today, they are 33.95 for each set. Total $91 for all 4 hoses.
Now I have to check if they match the SL's.
Tom

[awolff280sl]

What about a braided stainless line for the clutch slave hose?

[hauser]

Gernold is having hoses built for my car.

[Raymond]

Deerfield says they will make the SL specific hoses and put them on the web site as a regular item.

[sandcrab59]

Ray
Did you call them to see if the hoses are the same as the 300sd.
If they are ,they do not have to make up anything.
Tom

[Raymond]

As previously mentioned, The two front ones are the same and the two rear lines are not so he will make up the custom lines and add them to the catalog.   Thanks to Naj, Mr. Hebert has the exact tech specs for the brake lines and the clutch line.

[Naj ✝︎]

As previously mentioned, The two front ones are the same and the two rear lines are not so he will make up the custom lines and add them to the catalog.   Thanks to Naj, Mr. Hebert has the exact tech specs for the brake lines and the clutch line.

Should mention here that the spec for the clutch hose is for a 250/280.
the 230 hose is not the same. I don't know what is different.

naj

[sandcrab59]

NAJ & Raymond:
I just talked to Deerfield Precision :
A- Clutch hose. I gave Mr Hebert the M/B part # for the hose for a 280SL.
He will order one to keep.
He likes to have an original hose, then makes his hoses from the original.
He asked if the hose is the same for the 250 & 230 SL.
NAJ possibly you can find that out.

B- Brake hoses. He ordered a set and has the originals for the 280 and 250SL.
I went under my 250SL this morning and compared the 300SD hoses to the 250SL.
The front hoses are just a little shorter than the 250SL. I did not compare the 280SL.
The right hose rear (passenger side) is the same.
The problem is the left side (Drivers side) the 250sl is about 3 inches longer than the 300sd.
But my 250SL left has a male and female end. It is near the end of production so maybe M/B changed from 2 female ends to a male and female end.
Hebert figures that is what M/B did.

So NAJ, could you verify that is the case. Then I can inform Hebert that is the case, there are two left rear hoses for the  250SL and maybe the 230SL.

I hope my message is not confusing.
Just verify that there is 2 left rear hoses , one has two female ends and one has  male end and a female end.
Tom

[Naj ✝︎]

NAJ & Raymond:
I just talked to Deerfield Precision :
A- Clutch hose. I gave Mr Hebert the M/B part # for the hose for a 280SL.
He will order one to keep.

So NAJ, could you verify that is the case. Then I can inform Hebert that is the case, there are two left rear hoses for the  250SL and maybe the 230SL.

I hope my message is not confusing.
Just verify that there is 2 left rear hoses , one has two female ends and one has  male end and a female end.
Tom

000 295 0835   250/280 Clutch Hose
000 295 0335    230 Clutch Hose

H/w brake pipe sizes:

123 428 0535   Front Brake Hose: 420mm long. Male thread on one end 10mmx1mm, Female thread on the other end 10mmx1mm   Two required.

000 428 2635   Rear Right Brake Hose: 220mm long  Male thread on one end 10mmx1mm, Female thread on the other end 10mmx1mm  one required

000 428 9335   Rear Left Brake Hose: 240mm Long   Female thread on both ends 10mmx1mm One required

Hope this is all clear?

naj

[sandcrab59]

NAJ
All the numbers match what I have.
I am in the process of contacting Tom Hanson at the classic center in Calif next week to verify that left rear hose.
If there were two hoses, one with 2 females ends or 1 with a male and a female end.
Tom M

[Raymond]

Tom, Naj's information is correct. (As usual) Because the line on the left side of the 250 and 280SLs connects directly to the proportional valve, it has one male end to thread into the valve housing.  ALL of the other connections are female.  It's very simple.  While the two front lines match each other, the two rear ones do not.  It was a conscious design decision and not because they ran out of parts during manufacture. 

[jameshoward]

So apologies for what must seem a really bone question, but I don't understand why one might want steel braided hoses and so have to ask. Is it because they were on the cars when they rolled out of the factory?

Aren't even steel braided hoses still rubber (ish) inside the braiding? And isn't that rubber exactly the same as a standard hose? And so wouldn't you still want to change the hoses every 6 years or so? I understand why rally cars have steel braided hoses given the punishment that they undergo on dirt tracks, but for cars that seldom see moist air (I generalise based mostly on my experience), braided hoses seems inexplicable.

Given that standard hoses are so cheap and so readily available (the last lot I bought were OEM for about 50 euros, albeit with a good discount), to my completely uneducated view this seems a lot like an experiment for those with more time and money than sense. And for the record, I see a lot of that and have no problem with it whatsoever. Frankly, if I'd won the Euromillions (£93m) yesterday, I'd probably be wondering who could make platinum hoses. Sadly, I didn't.

Anyway, there, I said it! Someone shoot me down and tell me why I'm wrong, which is what I fully expect, by the way.

I need to know why I need steel hoses!!

 

[66andBlue]

Excellent question James!

[66andBlue]

No answers to James' question? Are the fanciers of the braided hoses too timid? 

[GGR]

I have considered steel braided hoses when upgrading my Coupe and my Pagoda. There is a debate on whether there is any added performance with them. Stock hoses are also reinforced in the same way, only that there is a layer of rubber on top of it. Stock hoses are not supposed to expand any more than these aftermarket ones. I don't have any first hand experience with these, as I elected to go ahead with new stock hoses. I would however be interested in any information showing superiority of these hoses. So far I wasn't able to find any backed by technical facts.