Euro Event 2016

[Rolf-Dieter ✝︎]

Hello Brian,

Wassenaar, Holland to Alessandria, Italy would be 1,170 KM and 11 1/2 hour drive under normal circumstances. With a Pagoda I would say driving about 400 KM a day you need 2 hotel stop overs .... In order not to overwork the little old lady.

Hope this helps. Happy and save travels

Cheers, Dieter

Edit ... Added BTW

BTW. .... Should you take the drive and need a passengier, I would be happy to help you drive back and forth as well as share the fuel cost with you. I then would fly back to Canada after the trip.

[Rick007]

Guys ... we are not going to Allesandria .. but Merano . The distance from central Netherlands would be aprox 1050 Km ( 653 Ml ) 
with aprox 500 km a day it seams to us more then doable .   Surprised by the quote from Rolf-Dieter that our old SL's  would suffer ... ??  If your car is not up to this I would reconsider going at all.
These cars are made for cruising the German Autobahn ... don't forget .

As what transport is concerned , we will leave this to individual initiative... But please !  and I do want to emphasize this ...Wait for your invitation to participate !
After this you can organize as much as you want and we would support you , but not before please.   

At the end of this month we will get together again to complete our listings......

Greetings from The 2016 Event team .

[Rolf-Dieter ✝︎]

Sorry about this Rick .... I picked up Allesandria from one of the earlier posts ... My bad.

Of course our cars can go longer distances ... I just picked an average distance (in 2013 my car made a 1,600 mile round trip to Williamsburg, VA. In 1 1/2 days each way).

That you have limited spots is also clear we all I'm sure are waiting for your final list of invited participants. Thanks for organizing this!

[Tom]

Rick,

I read through the posts and have not yet seen a specific request for a deposit.  I assume that you will request money once a list of participants is provided and we receive an invite.  Correct? 

Again, thanks for organizing this spectacular event.

All the best,

Tom

[jameshoward]

Got to agree with you there, Rick. In my experience the cars will go on forever; my ability to tolerate an ever-numbing bum and the propensity for hearing loss would seem to be the limiting factors in any long 113 drive. My driver's side seat lists ever so slightly to one side creating the perfect conditions for a somewhat painful curvature of the spine. I even took the seat out at the weekend to examine my options (including the pool noodle), but there's no space. Assuming I catch the selectors eye for the trip, I will need to sort something out in the seating department. 

[Rick007]

I should think Rolf-Dieter that distances in Canada and US are way longer, if going to events...our 650 Miles must be peanuts for you guys.
And James... yes you are right the comfort is also 60's ... although I must say I find the Mercedes seats very comfortable in comparison to other period classic cars . 

As mentioned the invites and request for deposit will follow ...

 

[JamesL]

I find the seats and driving position infinitely better than my Porsche 964. Damn thing crippled me!

[France]

We were just in Alto Adige (Süd Tirol) last week.  Not with Carling, of course. 

It was snowing up in the mountains, but beautiful sunshine this week.  The food, the people, and the scenery are lovely.  The roads have to be planned carefully--you need to know where you're going.  The beautiful mountain roads are not Pagoda roads for the most part, but around Merano will be fine...except for the apple harvest, which puts TONS of really slow big machinery on the roads!

Please let us know if we can help planning...don't know if we will be able to attend (new 73 Interceptor coming), but sooo much going on.

[Rick007]

Thank you France for pointing that out  .....  and that's why we have two outstanding local members over there , who know their way around.   

[Rick007]

UPDATE ...

Well our event is actually going to happen ... and we are booked solid !! 
With 30 cars / 60 attendees and a reserve list, I think we can safely say that there is a serious interest for our event.

At this moment we're sending the invites and programs . 
Off course we don't have a personal Email address from everybody, so in the personal mail you receive, and you reply... state your mail-address please , and we will send you the program with further details.

A general flyer will be posted here soon.


Euro Event team 
   

[450sl]

Thanks Rick007 for all your efforts , we are looking forward to meeting you all.

I will be investigating the oneway transport  The Netherlands to Italy for those interested.
Members so Far:

Mbzse
Paladin
450sl

Any more Members in for organised transport ? Please  drop me a PM .

[450sl]

There seems to be only one car sleeper train left to Italy  :  Düsseldorf-Verona

Terminal Düsseldorf:
Schlägelstraße
40227 Düsseldorf
GPS: 51.22103,6.79732


Terminal Verona:
Verona Porta Nuova Piazza 25 Aprile
Postcode: 37900
GPS:  45.42943, 10.98066



It only goes once a week ; departures on Fridaynights:    

16/9/2016  18.36h    arrival  17/9/2016 09.45h
23/9/2016  18.36h    arrival  24/9/2016 09.45h

There is NO return train avaliable ( the last one returns on Saturday 24/9)
Düsseldorf: 2,5 hours from ferry terminal IJmuiden/Hoek van Holland

I dont think a private lorry will be doable with only 3 participants but will wait a little longer we will see.

Mark

[Peter van Es]

A word of caution... transport trains that are open will damage the paint job on our old cars. Our paint is "soft" compared to that of modern cars. An open railway carriage will let small metal particles and soot attack your paint job. Friends of mine used a train to transport their Pagoda, just waxed, to Italy. Upon arrival they felt that the paint surface was rough to the touch: all sorts of particles had embedded themselves into the paint. They felt that these were shavings from the metal wheels and tracks.

It needed a heavy polish job (removing the top layer) to restore the paint.

Your mileage may vary, but I would never put my Pagoda on an open train.

Peter

[Garry]

I put my VW Kombi on a train from Adelaide, South Australia to Darwin in Northern Australia a distance of around 3000km.

 When I picked it up it was covered in a fine oily soot that was into everything and a real pain to remove before use.  Every time you touched it it left an oily smudge on your hands, cloths and I would not do it with an old car again as they cannot just be run through a car wash to get it off   When I say it was into everything, I mean everything. Poor Kombi never recovered!

[tel76]

Several years ago whilst travelling to Brescia to compete in the Mille Miglia (we were in a Bentley Speed Six with six other Bentley's) we drove from the UK to Paris and loaded the cars onto the overnight train, we were able to cover the cars with fitted covers so that when we arrived in Italy there was no paint or dirt problems.
If this service is still available it could be a good alternative.

[Flyair]

Let me share our experience: using the normal car cover certainly protects from dust and other damaging substances, however it also has some flaws. The movement of train will result in a permanent air flow on the cover, with abrasive effect on the paint. Some of our colleagues found it out to their deception at the end of the transport.

We have used a self-adhesive large plastic tapes (1m or 1 yard wide) that are also used in professional transport of new cars across the continent. At least here you can buy it in any shop with building materials. It is called stretch, as it is somewhat flexible. The advantage of that is that once well applied, it does not move against the body that it is supposed to protect.

One more word on that... if the train platforms have 2 floors, make sure you protect the soft top, windows and all the flat areas (in fact the entire upper body) with the same protective material. Our Pagodas have this nasty leakage habit, so the dripping fluids from the cars transported on the upper floor can be very detrimental to the cars at the lower floor.
 

[Moss Andrews]

Count me in!

Thanks, Fritz

[Paul & Dolly]

Regarding Transport Holland/Italy
We have just returned to UK, but whilst in Holland I was given a contact for transportation by road.
I called in Leimuiden,(near Amsterdam airport) and spoke with Jan
Tinga of Vakgarage Tinga Autoservice BV.
I explained our situation and told him I would put my findings on the
website and see how many are interested.
 
Vakgarage Tingaburg
Bakhuizenlaan 2
2451 AA Leimuiden
info@tingaauto.nl
0172 508115
www.tingaauto.nl
 
He  is experienced in classic and rallye car transport, and has an open 8
car and a closed 5 car unit.
He says he often collects classic cars after events , as they sometimes
breakdown !
 
He can offer a "combination" trip as he often travels to Italy for about 700
(+ BTW) Euro either way for 1 car.
For 2 or more cars it would be about 600 euro (+ 21% BTW) one way.
For  4000 Euro you can have the full 8 car transporter !
 
He is happy to do Holland to Italy, or Italy to Holland, or both.
The cars would have to be left with him in Leimuiden,  a couple of days
before, and an agreed drop point (Hotel) in Italy would also be needed.

You cannot travel with the car so would need to use a train or plane to then get to Italy.
 
He would happily provide transport to Schiphol airport for anyone dropping
off a car.
 
Dolly and I have still to concider the options.
The cartrain Dusseldorf leaves about 220 km drive at each end, and I am
worried about the dire warnings from this site about paintwork damage on the train
journey.
 
We are thinking maybe, of a slow drive down through Germany to
Italy over a few days before the event, and spending a week or so in Merano,
and then maybe getting  Tinga Autoservice to bring the car back to Holland, and we come on a
train.
We are fluid at the moment so open to all suggestions.
 
If there is any interest in this road transportation option  please post here - at least we have plenty of
time to sort ourselves out.
 
Please feel free to contact vakgarage Tinga and speak with Jan if you need.

Paul

[450sl]

Hans , you have got a Pm....

[Peter van Es]

I can vouch for Tinga (I put his name forward originally). He is reputable... but I'm making my trip our holiday so we will be driving there and back....

Peter

[Rick007]

Greetings Forum members ,

Enclosed you will find our newsletter / flyer we send out to every attendee . If not …you did not send in your personal Email address.
The Flyer which was send out contains a bit more information , costs etc etc ..  so if you received an invitation but no newsletter please send your address and we will send it to you.

For now , and although it may alter , this is the program. We hope it's appealing , we like to think so…


A small note on transport to Merano … We did the train in 2014 from Dusseldorf to Allesandria , and really without damage what so ever . Maybe it depends on the time of year but i can tell you it is doable and is being don by a lot of classic car enthusiasts who do not trust their cars to drive such a distance.  Or those who do not like the comfort it offers on these stretches . Take your time and enjoy the ride would be my advise .
Paul and i will scout a half way Hotel and maybe a nice southern Germany / Austria route to Merano. But off course this is for everyone a personal choice , as long as we get there together .

Thank you for your enthusiasm we will keep you posted with our progress……


The 2016 Euro Event Team ;

Peter , Johannes , Paul , Rick . 

[mazmonza]

Hi all, as we are in Wiltshire we are taking the ferry Portsmouth to Le Havre then a leisurely 2 stop trip probably stopping near Dijon and Zurich.
What are others in the UK planning?
                                            Maurice

[Larry & Norma]

We will probably join Maurice and Dawn and go via Portsmouth with a couple of stops each way.

[JamesL]

I can't make it - Tamara's travel plans are impossible next September (already cancelled going to Revival).

[Rick007]

Happy New year all  ...from the 2016 event team .

We are picking up on where we left of ... so this month we do need your deposit , so please before the end of this month.
Don't worry for those who already did this , I will send a confirmation to you coming days .

Please mention your Forum name with your payment ... Sometimes its not very clear who's behind the payment.

Then, as expected there are cancelations .. so we will start inviting members on our reserve list , which also means there will be room for more teams that like to join.

More to follow soon ....