Author Topic: Wheels for early 230SL  (Read 5354 times)

Charles 230SL

  • Full Member
  • Gold
  • *****
  • USA, GA, Griffin
  • Posts: 665
  • 64 230SL
Wheels for early 230SL
« on: June 20, 2016, 16:54:03 »
Hello all,
I currently have incorrect wheels on my early 230SL – all five (including the spare) are 108-400-07-02. These were on the car when I bought it and won’t accommodate the correct ‘dog dish’ wheel covers and outer rings.

Bud’s restored my car several years ago but since I was already well over budget with the restoration, I asked that they go ahead and spray/mount the 108 wheels and wheel covers and that I’d pursue the correct wheels at a later date. The wheels and one-piece covers are beautiful - but they’re still incorrect for an early 230.

I’d now like to go ahead and get the right wheels and covers for my car. The correct wheels are 113 400 00 06 (5.5J x 14) but now I’m concerned about going with the 5.5’ narrow wheel.

I know that the #113 400 01 06 wheels are wider (6.0) and will accommodate the correct covers/outer rings, so I’m thinking about going with these rather than the 5.5 narrow wheel.   

Are my concerns with the narrow 5.5 wheel unjustified? Has anyone with an early 230 ever had issues with handling and wished they had the wider 6.0 wheels? If I go with the 5.5J wheels will I need a narrower tire?

Thanks in advance for your recommendations, Charles

« Last Edit: June 20, 2016, 17:27:02 by Charles 230SL »

Garry

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • Australia, Victoria, Kyneton and Brisbane Queensland
  • Posts: 5236
  • Audit Committee
Re: Wheels for early 230SL
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2016, 21:55:41 »
I have the original 5.5J  and they are just fine.  Unless you are planning on putting wider tires and planning on driving it hard, there is no real advantage in having anything but the original.
Garry Marks
Melbourne/ Kyneton, Brisbane. Australia
1969 MB 280SL 5 speed RHD SOLD.
1965 MB 230SL Auto RHD Lt Blue 334G, Top 350H, Tourist Delivery.
1972 MB 280CE Auto RHD 906G
2005 MB A200
2006 MB B200
2019 Izuzu DMax 4x4 Slide-on camper.
2022 Volvo XC40 Electric
2024 Volvo EX30 Electric

scoot

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, CA, Altadena
  • Posts: 2355
Re: Wheels for early 230SL
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2016, 22:21:59 »
Either size is just fine.  If you don't care about part numbers, there are W108 wheels that also take dog dish hubcaps.  Much easier to find and cheaper.
Scott Allen
'67 250 SL (early)
Altadena, California

Ulf

  • Associate Member
  • Gold
  • *****
  • Denmark, Fredericksberg, Rungsted Kyst
  • Posts: 838
Re: Wheels for early 230SL
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2016, 14:14:46 »
Isn't it a matter of finding the studs that attach the centre hubcap/beauty ring? http://www.sl113.org/wiki/WheelsTires/Hubcap

1965 230 SL in silver (DB180)
1982 Land Rover Series III SWB
2008 Jaguar XF 3.0
2005 Mini Cooper

stickandrudderman

  • Vendor
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • United Kingdom, England, Richmond
  • Posts: 2924
    • http://www.colinferns.com
Re: Wheels for early 230SL
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2016, 15:11:17 »
Some rims have the ability to accommodate the centre cap without the use of the screw-in type lugs.
1084000002 is a 6" rim that takes the two-piece trims.

Charles 230SL

  • Full Member
  • Gold
  • *****
  • USA, GA, Griffin
  • Posts: 665
  • 64 230SL
Re: Wheels for early 230SL
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2016, 17:17:43 »
Garry/Scoot/Ulf/Stick/, thanks for the quick responses. Based on your comments, and unless they’re cost prohibitive, I’ll pursue the 5.5J x 14H’s.  If they’re cost prohibitive, I’ll look for a set of 6J x 14H’s (108 400 00 02).

I’ll inquire about a set 5.5J x 14H’s in the ‘wanted to buy’ section of this forum. thanks, again

scoot

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, CA, Altadena
  • Posts: 2355
Re: Wheels for early 230SL
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2016, 17:46:38 »
Garry/Scoot/Ulf/Stick/, thanks for the quick responses. Based on your comments, and unless they’re cost prohibitive, I’ll pursue the 5.5J x 14H’s.  If they’re cost prohibitive, I’ll look for a set of 6J x 14H’s (108 400 00 02).

I’ll inquire about a set 5.5J x 14H’s in the ‘wanted to buy’ section of this forum. thanks, again
A couple of points to consider:
1.  Yes, you can add studs to accommodate a dog dish hubcap, but if the vent holes on the rim are round, rather than slits, the beauty trim ring will not cover them and it will look really strange.

2.  Again, unless you are trying to have correct part numbers, there is no advantage of the 5 1/2" rim over the 6" rim.   The 5 1/2" rims are not considered "desirable" unless you are trying to make part numbers be correct.  And if you are going down that path, you may want to look at the date code that is stamped on the wheel also, something 7/71 for July 1971 production date of wheel.

3.  5.5J x 14H is also used on other cars that don't take dog dish hubcaps - for example W114 and W115 cars often have 5 1/2" rims, but they don't have the studs for the dog dish.
Scott Allen
'67 250 SL (early)
Altadena, California

Charles 230SL

  • Full Member
  • Gold
  • *****
  • USA, GA, Griffin
  • Posts: 665
  • 64 230SL
Re: Wheels for early 230SL
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2016, 19:15:54 »
ok,, thanks Scoot. I didn't even think about having matching Sudrad production dates;  they'd all have to be 4/64 or earlier for my car. , chances are slim of finding a set of 5 with close production stamps.

I'll remove my earlier post for the 5.5j's and replace with (WTB) a set of five 108 400 00 02's (6J x 14H). Any ideas where I can get a set? thanks, Charles 

scoot

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, CA, Altadena
  • Posts: 2355
Re: Wheels for early 230SL
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2016, 19:21:16 »
I'll remove my earlier post for the 5.5j's and replace with (WTB) a set of five 108 400 00 02's (6J x 14H). Any ideas where I can get a set? thanks, Charles
The cheap way to get them is to find a W108 (maybe 1969 or earlier) and it will have them.  $17 per wheel at the junkyard.  The expensive way is ebay.  Probably the best way is to post to the forums.
Scott Allen
'67 250 SL (early)
Altadena, California

Charles 230SL

  • Full Member
  • Gold
  • *****
  • USA, GA, Griffin
  • Posts: 665
  • 64 230SL
Re: Wheels for early 230SL
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2016, 15:16:58 »
I just bought a 108 400 00 02 (6J x 14H) steel wheel off eBay and the listing indicated that it came off a 250SL.

After taking a closer look I realized that the wheel had round vent holes rather than slits (huh?).  According to the Tech Manual, the 108 400 00 02 wheel was used on all 230SL’s from chassis 14,4364, 250SL's and 280SL's. If that’s the case, then why the round vent holes?  Did MB use this same part number for different wheels?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162082959000?euid=8aa4f45146b14da78a454e4fbfa3422e&bu=43176547427&cp=1&sojTags=bu=bu

Tyler S

  • Associate Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, CA, Encinitas
  • Posts: 1613
Re: Wheels for early 230SL
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2016, 17:32:15 »
Charles, It appears that the e-bay seller may have gotten his pictures on the listing mixed up with something else.
The 108 400 0002 should not have the round holes. You may want to verify with the seller. His last picture looks like the back side of a 123 400 1302 aluminum rim.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2016, 18:10:05 by Tyler S. »
1968 (67) 250sl. 4 speed manual. DB180 Silver
1955 220 Cabriolet A. White Grey
2019 E450 Wagon. Majestic Blue
1936 Ford PU Flathead V8. Creme on tan interior.
1989 Volkswagen T3 Westfailia Campmobile. Dove Grey (blue)

Charles 230SL

  • Full Member
  • Gold
  • *****
  • USA, GA, Griffin
  • Posts: 665
  • 64 230SL
Re: Wheels for early 230SL
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2016, 12:29:47 »
Tyler, yes I thought about that, but only after I'd already requested a refund (which the seller agreed to).  The seller will likely relist it,, meanwhile I'll keep looking for a complete set.