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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2017, 08:28:53 »
Sorry, no Pagoda content in one of these
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2017, 08:50:13 »
How very very true
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2017, 10:49:33 »
Someone did say to keep the photos coming

This was out on the road yesterday. They just did the 6th regularity at the Circuit La Chatre
bordr_170528_181104_princesses17.535x0-is-1 by dunlin1900, on Flickr
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2017, 11:39:41 »
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2017, 15:00:35 »
Weird, James. Whenever I participate in rallies, we make it a rule for the driver and navigator to never wear matching outfits... Here it seems obligatory.
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2017, 15:08:07 »
That's because you don't rock hot pink very well.  ;)
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2017, 21:01:23 »
They had another 10 hours in the car today: 430km from Vichy to Alpe D'Huez
They got word at the penultimate regularity that the last one had been cancelled due to roadworks so they had a relaxing sunny drive following the roadbook through the foothills of the Alps from west/south of Grenoble up to Alpe. They had a great time and hopefully there'll be some pictures somewhere! No stuff ups on the regularities today so up the rankings a bit more. 59th!

At the top of the rankings, a ferrari 328 and a Porsche Carrera3.o are 2 points apart. 156/158. Wife has (2900) more. Places 3-5 are Triumphs: TR5, TR6 and TR4!
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2017, 06:40:00 »




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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2017, 08:19:28 »
A Pagoda-roofed E-type
Yes, there is an E-type in this picture
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2017, 18:30:55 »
Shes's a better navigator than cameraman...
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AC/DC (for Mr Ferns!)

They think they've just worked out that a time/speed/distance event means you have to be at a certain distance at a certain time in a regularity section, and just because the roadbook suggests there's a church, the time isn't taken at the church if the church is not at the distance in the roadbook. So if it says 1.3km/44 seconds, be at 1.3km in 44 secs not at the church on the diagram in 44 secs :o. So they are hitting their times by luck as much as judgement. Which can be limiting... ;D
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2017, 09:51:50 »
It took them one rallye (last year) and 4 days to figure this out ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regularity_rally

Perhaps an app will help them? https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tsd-rally/id348150412?mt=8


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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2017, 16:00:53 »
It didn't improve their scores greatly! though it seems there's a computerised arms race going on... gadgets which on the fly tell you what speed to go given the elapsed time/distance traveled/to go. Much entering of data every morning from the road book and they think that makes for great times but does take the fun out of it. Also the whole thing was a lot more competitive than last time... lots of cars/teams do a lot of rallies.

But I digress...

Yes, that IS a Louis Vuitton tonneau cover on that Healey...
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2017, 16:02:28 »
Or a very nice watch,  poking out of a very nice 356,
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2017, 16:04:17 »
A few pics from the end
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2017, 16:06:25 »
Last for now
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2017, 23:26:37 »
Or a very nice watch,  poking out of a very nice 356,
In other words, a very convenient place for a vanity fair.... but nevertheless:nice hats and even coordinated watches, such a nice touch indeed  ;)

As the Rallye is over, your time comes up: have a great trip back!
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2017, 16:58:10 »
Photoshop may have been involved in the production of this photo
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2017, 18:17:30 »
James,
are you talking about moving the speed needle? ;D
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2017, 19:55:43 »
Fake news, Stan. fake news. I would never abuse my engine like that. Though I am sure Mr Ferns' work is up to it...


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So much nicer without the stickers all over it.
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2017, 20:43:27 »
Peter

It seems that some folk had a stopwatch/phone and the car odometer right through to laptops and connected Blunik and gps tripmeters. So not a level laying field.

What happens in you ralllies as regards what's allowed and what's not? The Blunik unit takes the entered TSD data and constantly recalculates it for the driver who "simply" drives the speed set by the computer. Which surely removes a level of skill required by the team. Not sour grapes but I'd be interested how other organisers are dealing with this technology
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #45 on: June 05, 2017, 06:36:17 »
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #46 on: June 05, 2017, 13:42:21 »
James,

great you had the opportunity to drive on this circuit. I gather it is the one near Reims?
Sad however that it is in this pitifyll state.

Is it difficult to get in?
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #47 on: June 05, 2017, 13:49:10 »
Stan. It's a public road - the D27 - in Gueux just west of Reims. I think the circuit was always a road circuit, like so many back in the day. The long straight is (now) part of the N31 which heads north west (to south east as it was a clockwise circuit)

Very cool spot and one I've long wanted to visit, more for the photo opportunity than anything. There was an Alfa rally coming through, I saw several Alfa-holics heading to/from there

Which has planted a seed in my mind...
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #48 on: June 05, 2017, 17:19:57 »
Great photographs!  The Louis Vuitton tonneau cover on the Healey is fantastic, but it might have looked even better on the DS decapotable.  Coincidentally, in this weekend's Wall Street Journal magazine there is an article about the LV atelier and the custom work that they do, but no mention of tonneau covers. Un peu cher, no doubt.

I drove through the Reims circuit in a weezy French rental about 20 years ago and it was in about the same condition then.
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Re: Rallye des Princesses
« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2017, 07:50:14 »
Peter

It seems that some folk had a stopwatch/phone and the car odometer right through to laptops and connected Blunik and gps tripmeters. So not a level laying field.

What happens in you ralllies as regards what's allowed and what's not? The Blunik unit takes the entered TSD data and constantly recalculates it for the driver who "simply" drives the speed set by the computer. Which surely removes a level of skill required by the team. Not sour grapes but I'd be interested how other organisers are dealing with this technology

James,

in the classic car rallies I participate in any kind of electronic trickery is disallowed: GPS, phones, Google Maps, regularity computers, all forbidden. The only thing allowed is a mechanical trip counter (such as a GTI Rally Twin or a Halda Tripmaster. Amazingly these are much more expensive than electronic versions). When we do regularities we both need to solve navigation puzzles (rather than using tulip diagrams), as well as use tables and arithmetic calculations to run precisely on the second. Because of the navigation puzzles (e.g. construct the shortest route between points on the map) which are handed to the navigator as your time starts running, first priority is driving the right route (otherwise timing becomes a non-issue), second is the time. As a results, average speed computers are not all that useful in classic car regularity rallies.

In these rallies, to prevent cheating, every day there is a hidden check point (which you cannot see in advance -- favourite trick: just out of a tunnel) where they check every car for disallowed maps, phones, average speed computers etc. Spotted once, 500 penalty points (like missing 5 controls), spotted 2x, you are disqualified.

In TSD (time-speed-distance) rallies in the US, they typically have different classes:

  • R01 Equipped - Those equipped with all navigational and time / distance computers (average speed computers)
  • R02 Navigational- The equipment permitted for the unequipped plus class (R03) is allowed plus maps, prepared tables, mechanical slide rules, non-programmable, single memory calculators and navigational/GPS systems.
  • R03 Unequipped Plus - The equipment permitted for the unequipped class (R04) is allowed plus factory built-in computers that can read out average speed. Navigational/GPS systems are not allowed in this class.
  • R04 Unequipped - The only rally aids permitted within the rally automobile will be simple time pieces including stop watches, pens/pencils, paper, clipboard or any device for holding the route instructions, and the original equipment speedometer/odometer, trip odometer in its original location in the automobile. (Prepared tables of any kind are not allowed in the unequipped class.) Navigational/GPS systems are not allowed in this class.

Then winners are allocated by class. Clearly participating in class R04 is the most challenging.

Peter
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