SCREWS/Washers list?

[StevenF]

I would like to replace the missing screws in my car ( interior, glovebox , chrome, rocker panels) and have done a search but I can't seem to find a complete list
Does anyone know where I can find a proper and complete list ?

I have looked on the EPC and can't seem to make out which screws go where and with what washers...

Best Regards
Steven

[mbzse]

.../...where I can find a proper and complete list ?.../...

Well, you are right on with the EPC and/or printed parts list.
However, you need to convert the M-B parts numbers for the screws into a more understandable format. There is a DIN parts list which solves this.

Some vendors have "kits" with all pertinent little screws for interior/bodywork gathered; with the kit I think you get a spec where the screws go.

[mrfatboy]

I found this very this very helpful.  It should get you started.

http://www.authenticclassics.com/Chrome-Hardware-Listing-for-230SL-250SL-280SL-p-p/pagoda-113-chrome-display-page.htm

I think the glove box info is incorrect unless George changed it recently.  However,  it was close and when you come to it  ask questions here 😀

[StevenF]

I saw that list from Authentic Classics but if the glove box is not correct, then how do we know if the others are? 

[StevenF]

Where is the Dins list?  Who has it?

[mrfatboy]

I recently replaced many of my screws with that list.  I found only the glovebox slightly incorrect. I let AC know but I never went back and looked if he changed it.

[mbzse]

Where is the Dins list?  Who has it?

See attached for cover of this publication
Perhaps you can find it here:
https://www.mercedes-benz-classic-store.com/en/literature-media/technical-literature/?p=1
Front of Schluessel Liste 7 added

[Jonny B]

The DIN reference is quite handy for searching out the screws, as it explains the "code" of each fastener.

The original book is very difficult to find. I finally opted to purchase a (very reasonably priced) copy. The information is the same, and the vendor I purchased mine from (some years ago) included an explanation key.

I found it on eBay, 2009 for $27. I believe mine is an earlier version than the one Hans showed.I am traveling this week, and do not have access to check.

How about this from Authentic Classics:
https://www.authenticclassics.com/Illustrated-DIN-Survey-DIN-Part-Number-Conversion-p/auth-006028.htm.

You still need the parts number book to pick out the specific screws. The early parts numbers books (for 230 SL) list the screw details in the manual. The later books only give the DIN code.

[66andBlue]

See attached for cover of this publication

Hans,
I believe you grabbed the wrong cover page, it shows the "Survey of Standard Parts (DIN)" and not the "Schlüsselliste".
The attachment below shows a "Survey List"with DIN 88 as an example, that is, in the Survey book a picture of each DIN part is shown, what is was made off, and the finish.

However, to identify the dimensions and finish of a part in the Spare Parts List (https://www.sl113.org/wiki/Documents/SparePartsList) one needs a "Schlüsselliste" = "conversion list". Those are almost as rare as a hen's tooth. In addition there were several! The attachment shows Schlüsseliste Nr. 7.
The conversion lists do show up on eBay about every two years, so keep your eyes peeled!

(I have added the picture to the technical manual)

[114015]

I would like to replace the missing screws in my car ( interior, glovebox , chrome, rocker panels)

Hello Seven,
There is no official list of all screws, bolts, nuts for our cars - at least I am not aware of it.

I think the AuthenticClassics list is already an excellent starting point.

I usually look up what the original part (number) is about in the factory parts booklet (or EPC online or so),
and I am often surprised that most of the stuff is still available - and mostly affordable.

Most of the chromed Philips screws of the interior is still available from MB. 

Good luck!
 
Achim

[StevenF]

do you know the correct screws/washers for the glove box?

[mrfatboy]

After reviewing the AC website it looks like they have not updated it with the correct screws for the glove box. Even the official spare parts list is incorrect.  I went back through my notes and came up with this:

Credit goes to 66andblue and Dave Gallon for figuring out this mess 👍 

Here are the Authentic Classic numbers:

Hinge to box
4x DIN 7983 - AUTH-007670
4x AUTH-004209 (cup washers)

Box to upper dash
2x DIN 7982 AUTH-005228

Hinge to lid
4x DIN 7981 AUTH-005214

[StevenF]

Thank you

[mrfatboy]

I have just been made aware that the door lock plate screws are also incorrect on the website.  They should be Phillips.

http://www.authenticclassics.com/CHROME-OVAL-HEAD-SLOTTED-SCREW-DIN-964-M4-x-8-p/auth-005246.htm

[66andBlue]

One should not have unrealistic expectations and assume that the information provided by vendors is always correct. They don't have the resources of the Classic Center nor can they have all the old Mercedes parts books for all the cars for which they sell parts, and they are not omniscient.
IMO, the buyer has as much responsibility buying correct parts as the vendor does.
Unfortunately many start very expensive restorations but are somewhat reluctant to invest some funds buying the old parts lists or pay for a subscription of the EPC.

[StevenF]

Alfred,
I agree with you partially.  I do subscribe to the EPC but as I am sure that most would agree, it is somewhat difficult to makes heads and tails of some of the parts. The way it lists certain parts simply makes no sense and is VERY confusing.  Use the glovebox as a prime example.   One can easily understand how things can get confusing.   Many "regular" Pagoda owners count on the professionals for advice and candidly, expect them to be able to provide us with the correct part numbers.  It is the equivalent of Joe Alexander not knowing how to repair our cars...

As per Mr Fatboys comment in the earlier post where he refers to the glove box screws as a "mess" : "credit goes to 66andblue and Dave Gallon for figuring out this mess 👍  "
To further my point, you and a guy like Dave Gallon (who has performed hundreds of restorations) are capable of truly figuring out some of the more difficult parts. 

The buyer does have some responsibility, but again-the pros are the pros...
Steven

[pj]

I bought the Authentic Classics kit late last year. The hundreds of pieces come in about 43 little plastic bags, labelled individually as you would expect. Aside from a few of the bags being short one piece, it all looked okay to me, and I did go through the inventory list in detail, checking each item against the contents of the individual bags. I haven't heard any complaints from the body shop about the quality or useability of any of the pieces.

[merrill]

SLS sells a kit,  link below


https://www.sls-hh-shop.de

also here is the link for authentic clasiscs
http://www.authenticclassics.com/Chrome-Hardware-Listing-for-230SL-250SL-280SL-p-p/pagoda-113-chrome-display-page.htm