Calling all Early 250SL Owners - Tools kit subject

[SilverSpear]

Hi guys,

Asking for help from early 250SL Pagoda owners.
My car is manufactured 4 july, 1967 and when I bought it back in 2011, it was missing the tools pouch.

I was able to find and purchase an original one a few days ago but had no tools. Now I am looking to purchase the correct tools following the date of manufacture of my car.

Appreciate any help anyone can provide. Will provide email by PM if needed.

Danny

[mbzse]

Fun subject!  Here are some previous Forum postings discussing Pagoda tool kits:
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=25999.msg186168#msg186168
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=21206.25
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=22237.25
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=24397.msg174517#msg174517

[SilverSpear]

I have already done an extensive search, not looking for a 280SL kit.
A member owns an early 250SL just like mine, he posted a picture of his toolkit in one of the discussions. Asked him for clear pictures of each tool... still waiting for his reply (if he wishes to).

Danny

[mbzse]

.../...not looking for a 280SL kit.../..

No major differences over the years. There was no "13" size fixed spanner included before 1965. Sometime late 1968 the Felo screw driver changed to plastic handle (was wood, painted black, before).
The water pump pliers had a different shape (oval vs. diamond jaw opening) on later kits. Time when change over happened not clear, may have been gradual

[Jonny B]

As Hans states, the single most obvious difference is the wood handled screwdriver. I would not obsess over the other wrenches. Now for obsessive alert - the handle of the proper type, will have seven flutes and the chrome collar at the top should be about 1 cm high.

[SilverSpear]

Well... one should be obsessive if he is carefully restoring his car.
I have been gathering the correct parts for the past 7 years and will keep doing so until I have everything I need for the full restoration.

Please can you all show me pictures of the other parts outside the pouch?

[mbzse]

As for tool design in a W113 tool kit, I can comment on four items that deserves to be looked upon.
All these type tools belong to Mercedes cars after 1972; i.e. not original in a Pagoda kit:
1. Hapewe Pliers which were of a thinner design
2. Heyco Water pump pliers (slip joint pliers) of a smaller type with handles that had a different shape (Number 129 581 0038 on these)
3. A longer spark plug wrench, it  had an external wire spring on it. Part No 000 581 1067 for this late (after 1972) type
4. Felo plastic handle screw driver of a smaller type, also has a shorter plug-in blade
See pictures attached

[SilverSpear]

Thanks Hans,

I am looking for similar pictures of the tools pertaining to the 66-67 years.
I will simply look for similar units and get them, even individually.

Thanks
Danny

[mbzse]

Here you can see an original 250SL tool kit including the bag

[Rolf-Dieter ✝︎]

Hi Danny,

Contact Mike, perhaps he can help you out.

Here ---> https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=26577.msg190120#msg190120

Best,

Dieter

[SilverSpear]

Thanks Hans and Dieter!

Contacted Mike...

[Shvegel]

If I am not mistaked the pictured kit should also have a pair of black plastic fuse pulling pliers.

[Jonny B]

The plastic fuse puller pliers were not a part of the regular tool kit. These could be purchased separately from the dealer.

[Rolf-Dieter ✝︎]

Jonny,

Do you know were I can purchase one? It's the only item missing from my tool kit.

Dieter

[Pawel66]

Certain, early, type is here: http://www.authenticclassics.com/Fuse-Puller-for-Mercedes-p/auth-003744.htm

They show up on ebay from time to time (e.g. fuse puller), that is where I got mine.

I remember, however, that there may be two types of those (with or without, excuse my language, balls) and they might not have been present in all of the tool kits (early vs. late). Please refer to Tech Manual and probably other threads as for which one fits your car.

[Rolf-Dieter ✝︎]

Thank you Pawel!

Dieter

[Pawel66]

You are welcome!

Funny enough I just got this on my e-mail: http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1107378337368&ca=833b66ae-d091-4672-a362-399e44e74026

 

[SilverSpear]

Do they really come in Plastic?

[Pawel66]

They do. And it is funny when you take them in your hand the first time, as you expect something of a pliers size. And they are maybe 6-7cm, more like tweezers. 

[SilverSpear]

The new ones being sold right now, are they 100% identical to the real deal?

[Pawel66]

Not sure, but I think these are the old ones being sold.

[Iconic]

Here you can see an original 250SL tool kit including the bag

Hans, Your plastic fuse box should have 6 long fuses and 4 short ones. You seem to be missing one long one.    (Sorry, I just couldn't resist pointing that out.)

The rest of you talking about the fuse puller plier: As Jonny B stated, and as shown in Hans' tool kit, the fuse puller was not part of the tool kit. It could be purchased separately as many other things could be (special tools, under hood light, luggage, roof rack, etc.).

[Pawel66]

I have read in the Tech Manual that it was added to the late 280SLs. I am certainly not sure about it - therefore references in my post to Manual and Forum. Quote from our Tech Manual:

"The 60's and 70's sedan tool bags were mostly canvas (early were green and later red) with string ties. Many of the tools in these kits were the same tools as in the W113 tool kits. The unique items in the W113 kits were the long handled "channel lock" style pliers, and the plastic fuse pliers on the later W113 cars. The spark plug wrench for the fuel injected SLs and sedans of the era was a bit different also."

[Iconic]

Pawel,
That is interesting.
Regarding the Plastic Fuse Puller Pliers: I wonder if whoever wrote it can step up and tell us how they know that.
We have a record of the changes to the Pagoda over the years.
Hopefully an expert on those changes will chime in. When I get a chance I can look through all the documentation of changes that has been sent out over the last many months. The part numbers for the fuse pliers are in the Tech Manual, but I find it funny that every photograph and Mercedes Benz artwork shown in the Tech Manual do NOT have any fuse pliers shown. Also, I've had conversations with original owners that state they never got one in the tool kit. But, the owners I talked to might have been owners of earlier cars. Until I am convinced, I don't believe the fuse puller was part of the original kits.
Regarding the spark plug wrench, that comment is a little vague. We have part numbers for that one.
From the Tech Manual:
◾a spark-plug wrench (German: Zündkerzenschlüssel), the 230SL originally used part no 000 581 0067 and 000 581 0667 both of which were replaced by 000 581 0567 by 1967, the 250SL/280SL used part number 000 581 0567 until production end, part no 000 581 1067 was subsequently supplied as a spare part after 280SL production ended

I hope we can get to the bottom of this and make corrections in the manual if needed.
Mark

[Iconic]

I just realized I hijacked the thread.
Sorry about that, but back to the subject, I don't believe anyone is making a claim that the 250 SL toolkit contained a Fuse Puller Plier.
So, SilverSpear, I wouldn't worry about the Fuse Puller Plier for your 250 SL.
Good luck on the rest of the search. I've done the exact same thing as you for my Anthracite 280 SL (sold).