Is there any clamp holding oil dipstick guide in late 280SL?

[Pawel66]

That is very valuable, thank you!
I do not recall this bracket that is bent down and the clamp bracket being attached to it... Need to check that... If I saw it on my engine I would immediately think it is for the clamp. Maybe I just missed it.

Many of you would laugh at me for this "eureka", but I see just one bracket holding both oil pipe to cooler and the guide. That would explain a lot of "mess" related to descriptions in EPC and parts books...

So the brackets arrangement on the pictures from Alfred (the being restored engine) are from "not clamp supported version" of the engine.

[Pawel66]

The clamp A1879950037 - I did the Search on EPC and it is the same clamp that is used to fasten the main harness to body frame!!

I have a couple of those, just need to refresh them.

It is available from Classic Center. If I remember correctly it costs ca $40 (!) - for a simple clamp.... 

Similar are sold in SLS.

[66andBlue]

Eureka, I believe we are coming to an end here! 

Thanks to Matti's second photo it is clear now how the dipstick tube is fixed in place.
It starts with the bracket that is screwed onto the engine block behind the black holder for the steering pump fluid reservoir.

The bracket part number is: 130 010 00 40 and it is on all M130.983 engines starting with engine (manual transmission) # 005053 or engine #008202 (automatic transmission).
It is shown as # 80 in my first attached picture below.
SLS sells as item # 218288 at 26,18€ and it looks like this:


There are two pipes attached to this bracket, the oil cooler line and the dipstick tube and both with clamp # 187 925 00 37. It is shown as # 81 in the picture. SLS sells it as item # 254069 at 3,45€ and it looks like this:


Sine the dipstick tube diameter is smaller it needs a rubber hose p/n 621 997 04 82 to fill the gap. It is shown as #85 in my picture.
SLS shows it as item # 207098 but NLA and it looks like this:


The two clamps around the pipes use the same screw and lock washer. The part numbers and the part drawing in my picture are from the s.p.l. #10180 for the M180 engine.

Anyone out there who can see a fly in the ointment?   

[mercakungen]

On my car the clamps are not same. Both are "tight" to the tubes, there is not room for any rubber. The screws are not same either but that could have been changed by previous owner? The screw that holds oil dip stick tube is slotted type.

[66andBlue]

What is the engine number? Automatic or stickshift?

[mercakungen]

130983-12-008439, automatic

[Pawel66]

Alfred, it was a long journey, but you made us arrive where we were heading, hopefully!

Thanks everyone for contributions!

I am happy to see I ordered the correct bracket (A130 010 00 40). 
The price of the bracket in Mercedes is ca $55 net (no VAT).

On the clamp - I have to insist a bit that the number is A1879950037, sorry, as per the list you provided and it is the same in the EPC. It is NLA. I think it is important to stress that it is the same clamp that is used for the main harness fixing to body frame. A lot of us may have it on the shelf or in the box. In the Classic Center you can get a similar clamp (A1369950037, about 17mm), but it costs ca $40. SLS one has a bit different shape - I went through the exercise on fitting my harness. Picture attached.

There is also a bigger clamp available at Mercedes (A1369950137), black in colour.

The slotted screw clamp to bracket (N000912006002) is NLA, Mercedes will automatically replace it with torx screw. Do not go this way.

The clamp/dipstick guide hose (A6219970482) is ca $3 net at Mercedes.

[66andBlue]

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On the clamp - I have to insist a bit that the number is A1879950037, sorry, ...

Thanks for catching my mistake, Pawel! It is corrected now.
I need to be more careful with copy and paste.

[Pawel66]

Thank you for your kind and valuable help!

[Pawel66]

Just to, probably, close the topic: bracket and "hose" you get for part numbers Alfred mentioned above. Seems the ones we were looking for.

[Pawel66]

Perhaps just one more message, as I am fitting the parts on engine now. As I wrote I found out that the original clamp Mercedes has in the EPC or part booklets is NLA. We made some suggestions above as for clamps. You may find that the SLS clamp mentioned above or the clamp I showed from Mercedes (similar to SLS) in combination the hoses from both of those suppliers are too tight or too lose to fit on oil line and/or dipstick tube, particularly when you fit it on the car with already certain routing of oil line to cooler, oil line from FIP and the dipstick guide (this is what I experienced).

So this may be a bit of try and correct exercise. I even tried to cut another Mercedes clamp (on the picture) for a better fit This did not work finally, I installed the SLS clamp (on the picture as well). I also tried various hose thicknesses. Finally it looks like it fits, I just need to ask for advise how to seal one of the screws holding the power steering reservoir bracket - in a separate thread perhaps.

[mercakungen]

Maybe one more... I used drills to demonstrate pipes, 10 mm for the oil dip stick tube and 12 mm for the cooler line. No room for hoses in my case. I´m not sure if these are original clamps for this purpose though no reason to doubt either. The clamp for cooler line is not zinc plated. The allen screw is "Kamax".

[Pawel66]

Thank you, this is great visualization . The thinner drill being the dip stick tube. Yes, we are not sure about the original diameter of the original clamp that is NLA, we just have its equivalent, which is about 15mm, but it may not be exactly correct. All I know that the original clamp for dipstick tube is same as one used to fit main harness to the cross member.

Please note that the hose from MB has very very thin walls, less than 1mm I suppose, much thinner than the SLS one.

[mercakungen]

Okay, a hose with 1 mm thick wall might work. I might try a "shrinking tube" in my case when the time comes to put pieces together.

[Pawel66]

Yes, you cannot see it on the picture I made above, but the walls are very thin. This part is not cut alongside, you just slide it on the guide from the top.

[66andBlue]

Maybe one more... I used drills to demonstrate pipes, 10 mm for the oil dip stick tube and 12 mm for the cooler line. No room for hoses in my case. I´m not sure if these are original clamps for this purpose though no reason to doubt either. The clamp for cooler line is not zinc plated. The allen screw is "Kamax".

It looks to me that you have perhaps the earlier 12mm clamp for the oil pipe.
If you go back to my reply #28 and take a look at the copy frpm the spare parts list you'll see that p/n 3049951520 was replaced by p/n 187995 0037 from engine # 002830 (automatic transmission). From then on both clamps were the same.
Now go to the SLS web site and search for the 304xxx number and you'll get this back:
https://www.sls-hh-shop.de/main/de/mercedes-230-280sl-w113/25-26-kupplung-4-gg-getriebe/25-a-kupplung-mechanisch-/halteschelle-klein-zum-beispiel-hydraulikrohr-p-4353

Looks to me that is the smaller clamp you have for the dipstick tube.

When you use the 187xxxx part you need the rubber hose to fill the gap.
 

[Pawel66]

I think this is spot on!

[sandcrab59]

Pawel and Arthur:
I just checked my 280SL that has an original engine and was manufactured at the end of production in Feb 1971.
It has a straight dip stick right into the oil pan. There is not any bracket holding the pipe at all.
It is a Euro car with a manual transmission.

Fly air has a 280SL manufactured right after mine, closer to end of production. It is a USA car but I do not remember if it has an Automatic
or Manual transmission. I was in his car in 2013 in Germany.
Also my 67 250SL which is wrapped up and is under 2 feet of snow, and is a USA car , I cannot check it for brackets. It is an Automatic.
Tom

[Pawel66]

Thank you for your input!

I will look at Stan's car when I meet him. We have another colleague here with fairly original 1971 automatic american SL - will take a look too.

Look, I think it is just completing a picture that these things changed over time - you would have to go through all the manufacturing specs changes (I have only German of 1969) to trace all the details. And this would give you some certainty only as, I am sure, there were deviations from production schedules anyway.

Another idea would be to obtain lots of statements from owners of original cars that they know for years and try to find the pattern there.

We have seen many pictures of this bracket - could be that from earlier models. So based on the current status of my knowledge and, given the logic that something should hold that pipe - I am putting one in.

Like this one: http://www.silverstarrestorations.com/113SL.htm

But again, this is the US specs only. Similar probably exists for Europe.