Glove box hinge removal to re upholster glove box

[merrill]

hello
i have my glove box out and I wanted to re cover the inside

after reading several posts related to the glove box hinge I am not sure how to re attach the hinge to the box.
it currently has the flat rivets from the factory.

any guidance would be appreciated

thank you - matt

[merrill]

hi
after trying a different search method I found this thread with the rivet information.

https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=22916.msg163872#msg163872

thank you - matt

[merrill]

well turns out both rivets re discontinued by the MB classic center.

230SL the rivet is a DIN 7340 (p/n 007340 004106) that changed to a compression rivet  DIN 7331 on 250SL/280SL


the search continues

[merrill]

I have located some rivets from a fellow member!

it also looks like Authentic classics has some


Thanks again
Matt

[Pawel66]

Matt

you now could answer a questionnaire about: How did this Forum help you self-develop? 

You answered all your questions and also contributed for others on where to find the rivets.

[merrill]

Pawel,
yes!   i need to take my own survey


I took the rivets to the shop yesterday,  they do not have the proper tool to fasten them,  I may try to find a leather set tool.

their suggestion was to forget the rivets and just use the screws to hold the hinge in place.

[Pawel66]

You could do that, but then upholstery goes over the rivets or in this case - screws heads. There is no foam pad if I remember correctly - so I think no matter what type of screw head you use - you will see the screws heads under the upholstery. Rivets are flat headed (this type of rivets) and they are not seen through upholstery material.

[merrill]

Pawel
hi,
the recommendation was not to secure the hinge at all,  just use the 4 screws that go thru the glove box to hold the hinge in place.

essentially i would secure the hinge to the door, then with top screws holding the box in place i would align the hinge / door and insert the 4 lower screws.

what i would end up with is  a 2 part glove box rather than one single unit

[Pawel66]

I understand now.

Why would you do that? It makes the door living its own life separated (practically) from the rest of the box. Then you may have issues with rosette and with the spring.

I tthink rivetting the hinge is not a big deal - just get any flat head rivets and hammer them down if you do not have the tool for that. They go under upholstery material. Connecting the hinge to the box really helps a lot to align everything and makes it hold together.

[merrill]

Pawel
hi, i agree with you.

the shop i am using does not have the proper set tool for the correct 2 piece rivets

i may need to search out regular rivets with flat heads.

one thing that is making this interesting is i changed the material from leather to mb-tex which is thinner.  any hardware will show thru the fabric

[66andBlue]

...... any hardware will show thru the fabric

Not true if you include the "cardboard" liner between the vinyl fabric. See: https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=14065.0

[merrill]

66andBlue
hi,
thanks for the information,    I will message you to get the details on the liner material.

[66andBlue]

Matt
As explained in the link I used "Irish felt" that Bernd however did not like.
Just Google "Irish felt"; you might get it from boat supply shops. Also roofing companies use a similar material.

[merrill]

ok!

thank you

[Pawel66]

There is also a pad that goes on top of the fabric. I will look for the pictures.

[merrill]

hi
so I found this photo online. 

I am confused as I have seen several various ways the glove box was set up.

1. material glued to the glove box only and the lower screw heads can be seen
2. A thin covering installed in the glove box covering the screws etc
3. this photo of a covering that is screwed down

[Pawel66]

Not really... I think it is a photo of a glove box that is a bit "s....ed up", rather than "down".

I do not have the BBB picture in my computer, but as far as I remember:
1. Hinge goes into the slot in the door. You do not see it.
2. The chrome nut of the light switch goes over the upholstery.
3. The pad that I think is screwed by the 4 screws here is not screwed, it covers the screws, just lying there.

On the picture is one without the pad. On the picture in BBB they had it with chrome switch nut visible over upholstery material.

[mbzse]

A picture of an original Pagoda glove box compartment.
Look and see the details...
Pawel I see what you are referring to in the BBB; section 68-1. (your points 2. and 3.)
However, the pictures for the workshop manual were sometimes based on pre-production cars. Details may differ.
Or, were the early 230SL finished in another fashion(?)  Alfred, Achim, chime in here

[Pawel66]

Well, not sure, Hans.. maybe, again, there was not one way of doing this.

I found it - here you have it all from Alfred:

https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=23432.msg167562#msg167562

[merrill]

hello
i contacted Gernold at SL Tech

he provided the photo of the correct glove box set up  (attached)

[Pawel66]

I am sorry, slightly different view on:
- screwing the pad down - disputable (!)
- chrome nut on the switch should be on top of upholstery material, I think, as we have seen in BBB and I saw on some other pictures (maybe early-late difference); why would it be chrome if it was covered???

Again: maybe there were different ways for different years/models. Gernold may need to do more digging....

The box floor pad fixing - one of the unresolved mysteries, but I think a lot of mistakes were made when re-newing the upholsteries in this particular place.

Rivet heads, the way I did them: put the rivets through the floor holes down, cover with upholstery material, fold the material, set the hinge, press the rivets form hinge side.