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My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« on: February 08, 2020, 16:49:10 »
I wanted to post some pictures for all to see of my 1963 220seb coupe. It has been a long and tedious 8 years of  sympathetic yet comprehensive restoration of a totally rust free documented survivor. It was parked in a dry basement with next to the furnace in upstate NY when I discovered it.  It was his deceased wife's car. She was willed the car by her deceased sister. The sister's once ran a gift shop in the Adelphi building in Saratoga Springs NY.
This car is a true rust free survivor. The original records show it to be a European USA spec delivery car. It was all over Europe in its first few months.
There are still minor details needed and I have not yet install the outer wheel trim rings.
The car was redone in it's original Papryus White 717 and Reseda Green 212 color combination. I could not help adding an optional Black Roof and center cap option to it.
The early W111 220seb's are wonderful cars that represent the original W111 design.
Peter Perry
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1972 911T Albert Blau
1963 220seb coupe barn
1965 230SL Light Ivory automatic
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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2020, 16:51:33 »
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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2020, 16:57:43 »
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1972 911T Albert Blau
1963 220seb coupe barn
1965 230SL Light Ivory automatic
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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2020, 16:59:17 »
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1970 911T Bahia Red
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1963 220seb coupe barn
1965 230SL Light Ivory automatic
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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2020, 17:01:04 »
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1970 911T Bahia Red
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1963 220seb coupe barn
1965 230SL Light Ivory automatic
1966 230SL Havana Brown 4 speed Barn Find
1970 280SE living 3.5 donor car

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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2020, 17:02:36 »
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1965 230SL Light Ivory automatic
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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2020, 17:04:26 »
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1963 220seb coupe barn
1965 230SL Light Ivory automatic
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1963 220seb coupe barn
1965 230SL Light Ivory automatic
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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2020, 17:12:49 »
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1970 911T Bahia Red
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1965 230SL Light Ivory automatic
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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2020, 02:50:12 »
Wow! Fantastic job. I think you made a good decision the just clean up the original underside instead refinishing it. That is a great example of what it would look like from the factory. Were the cream colored sill covers original to the car? I am a bit confused as to when it should be colored or just plain black. I am not sure what the formula was or maybe an option?

 
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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2020, 03:47:15 »
beautiful exceptional car!
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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2020, 08:06:04 »
That is fantastic looking.

It is the same year and spec as mine. My car is painted black but it should be Papyrus white too. The green interior is really rare too (or many people have changed it out in the past)
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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2020, 12:44:56 »
Amazing !

Great that you shared the photos.   Love the interior.   My 250sl is a 717 color also.   really great work.

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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2020, 12:55:40 »
Beautiful car.  Mine is white with black leather interior that I picked up at the factory in July, 1964.  Personally, I'm sorry that you didn't resist the urge to paint the roof and cap centers black. IMHO. the introduction of the third color adds a discordant note and detracts from the body design.  Dark color floor mats would also provide less visual conflict.

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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2020, 15:22:15 »
Wow! Fantastic job. I think you made a good decision the just clean up the original underside instead refinishing it. That is a great example of what it would look like from the factory. Were the cream colored sill covers original to the car? I am a bit confused as to when it should be colored or just plain black. I am not sure what the formula was or maybe an option?

Hi Wallace.
Your question is a good one. When I got the car the rocker covers were black. So I assume and also in looking at other W111's saw them black so I restored them as such. Did some of them have body color rocker covers? If so were they 220"s?

Beautiful car.  Mine is white with black leather interior that I picked up at the factory in July, 1964.  Personally, I'm sorry that you didn't resist the urge to paint the roof and cap centers black. IMHO. the introduction of the third color adds a discordant note and detracts from the body design.  Dark color floor mats would also provide less visual conflict.

I do appreciate your feedback. I admit I was torn about the 2 tone black roof and caps and hugely on the mats. I can see the car all 1 color and it would be possible to paint the roof and caps Papyrus White in the future. I had also seen other examples of the 2 tone set up and found it so striking. I really wanted black with green spot coco mats. I presented a business case to coco mats to make a run of them and posted in SL113, early911S, 912BBS, 190SL forums to stir the pot trying to get car owners who wanted them to calll to build the case. In the end I went back and forth on Black vs Calico vs Tan vs tan/White. Still uncertain but they could always be changed easily by myself or a future owner for that matter.
I would love to see pictures of your 220 ejboyd5 and PeterPortugal.
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1963 220seb coupe barn
1965 230SL Light Ivory automatic
1966 230SL Havana Brown 4 speed Barn Find
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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2020, 20:37:25 »
Peter,

I love the black roof and wheel caps.

I have a silver 280SE coupe that looks plain. Some chap on here posted pictures of his with a black roof and wheel covers and I thought it looked fantastic.

EJBoyd - I respect your view too. It's all personal taste. I find the "Reseda Green" a bit in your face but as it's the original colour it's the right choice for this very original car.

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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2020, 00:09:32 »
Wallace and Perry, the entrance rail sill coverings were color coded to the interiors (for the most part).  One exception was that medium red  and bright red interiors had 029 medium grey entrance rail sill coverings,while rust red interiors had 504 beige.  Regardless, for interior trim code 212 the entrance rail sill coverings were originally Reseda Green, color code 1078.  In the pictures below, note the pages out of the PKW-Austattungen.  (Interior appointments book) Where it says "Scheuerschutz Fahrerraum, Einstiege", and then "Riffelgummi" out to the side of it.....this all translates to "Abrasion protection driver's cabin, entrances", and "Ribbed Rubber", respectively.  This tells us what color all of the entrance rail sill coverings and interior anti abrasion pads were.  These include the heel pad on the drivers floor carpet and the anti abrasion pad to the right of the foot feed on the transmission tunnel carpeting.  Note that it says "1078 Resedagrün".  It would be nearly impossible to find rubber matting both in the correct color and design, so black would have probably the best option over creme`.  But if Creme` is what you like then I support your decision!   

It's a beautiful car done very well!  I would only recommend (very respectfully to you) to eventually install a scuff pad on the transmission tunnel carpeting, one on the drivers floor carpeting (if not already there), bound the top section of the transmission tunnel carpeting in vinyl, find a correct radio faceplate bezel and knobs, repair the fitment of the seat coverings and rid the front seat backrests of the sewn seams on the sides, straighten the front bumper, install a new turn signal stalk ivory knob, and install the 4 jack port coverings on the rocker panels.  I'm at odds with the actual carpeting in that the color is spot on, but the material looks odd.  Then again, finding short nap Reseda green wool carpeting with the dark flecks in it just isn't going to happen, so again you probably chose the next best thing. 

Thank you for sharing this.  I have an affinity for older 1960's and 1970's era Mercedes with green interiors.  So I loved seeing the unusual Reseda green interior.  :)
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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2020, 02:00:47 »
Aaron,

Thank you for posting and that is very interesting! So did they have the color coded sill material during the entire run for of the W111s or maybe just the early 220SE? My reasoning here is that the early cars had more expensive interior appointments than the later cars. Much of it was done in the name of safety, but the changes always ended up being a less expensive alternative.

My '68 280SE W111 coupe has a dark olive green exterior and the cognac interior. I replaced the black sill material and am pretty sure it was original. Most of the interior had not been replaced and the sill material was very hard and brittle.

My '60 W128 220SE Ponton coupe is a grey white exterior and bright red interior. While not 100% sure it was original, the sill material was black. A friend has a '60 220SE W128 coupe with a black exterior and tan interior. His sill material is creme/beige and is for sure original. Are you saying my W128 should have a medium grey sill material? 

Thank you for your help!
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2020, 08:57:58 »
Wallace, the W111 and W112 coupe` and cabriolets did have colored entrance rail sill coverings throughout the production run, but as the years went on they did drop a color or two.  The last handful of 250 (Approximately the last 100) and all 280 models in particular were the recipients of this.  For your car with the cognac interior the entrance rail sill covering would have been "dunkelbraun", or dark brown. (see pictures below) As this material ages it darkens, and you wouldn't be the first one to mistake what was once dark brown for black......because it really looks black when it gets some age on it.  I feel that black was the best choice considering dark brown isn't available, and black seems to tie in with the cognac leather better than creme`. 

However, for the 280 models the section covering the "Riffelgummi" changed the section description to "Belag Einstieg aussen", or "bottom entry, outside".  I can only speculate that they did this because the heel pad and the anti scuff mat to the right of the foot feed always seemed to be the same color.  Yet, I've seen just the opposite on several models. It wasn't uncommon for Mercedes to use a different color during production if they had run out of a certain color.  Sadly, this would not have been noted anywhere.
 
For the late 250 and all of the 280 models there were a total of 4 colors used for the entrance rail sill coverings.  Dark brown, dark blue, dark grey, and beige.  The blue and brown fool even the best of us into making us think they were black all because they darken with age.  They were really dark shades of brown and blue to start with, so it doesn't take much.  Interestingly, the beige covering was used only on cars with interior trim code 251 Beige. 

Now, with the very late W111 3.5 models (003455 onward) a two more colors were introduced, but two were removed. So only 4 colors were still available. The new colors were Bright beige and blue.  These replaced beige and dark blue.  Though, the majority of interior colors utilized the dark grey color.  Where the different colors came in seemed to be for interior trim codes that specified a two two tone interior. For example, interior trim code 256 (parchment) came with dark brown entrance rail coverings and dark brown carpeting, and interior trim code 255 (also parchment) came with blue entrance rail coverings and dark blue carpeting.  I imagine this was done to be more appealing to the eye when the door was opened.....they didn't want us to see a dark gray entrance rail covering with dark blue carpeting. 

Conversely, for the 220 and most 300 models there were a total of 5 colors used for the entrance rail sill coverings.  Medium grey, Creme`, Blue Grey, Beige, and Olive Green. 

For the W128......I'd have to find my early interior appointments book to answer this part of your post with any certainty.  Given that a lot of the very late W128 attributes carried over to the very early W111 and W112 coupe` and cabriolet models I can only assume that black or grey would be correct, as that's what was usually used with red interiors.  When I get home I can look this information up for you.  Just keep after me so I won't forget!  :) 

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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2020, 16:30:28 »
All I have to say is WOW! I am sorry to Peter that I hijacked his thread, but what a treasure trove of information that came out. I am happy with the black in the 280SE, but not in the W128. So looking on-line, I did find medium gray sill material that was not available until recently. So it is headed this way! That is going to look nice. Thank you and if you do find the pages for the W128, I would appreciate it so I can document it.
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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2020, 21:37:58 »
I'm only happy that some use came out of what I posted pictures of.  :)  Feel free to continue conversing with me via private message, Wallace. 

Peter, my intent wasn't to hijack your thread, either.  So back to you, kind sir.   

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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2020, 03:10:48 »
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Regardless, for interior trim code 212 the entrance rail sill coverings were originally Reseda Green, color code 1078.  In the pictures below, note the pages out of the PKW-Austattungen.  (Interior appointments book) Where it says "Scheuerschutz Fahrerraum, Einstiege", and then "Riffelgummi" out to the side of it.....this all translates to "Abrasion protection driver's cabin, entrances", and "Ribbed Rubber", respectively.  This tells us what color all of the entrance rail sill coverings and interior anti abrasion pads were.  These include the heel pad on the drivers floor carpet and the anti abrasion pad to the right of the foot feed on the transmission tunnel carpeting.  Note that it says "1078 Resedagrün".  It would be nearly impossible to find rubber matting both in the correct color and design,

Wallace, Peter  Aaron,
Surely you can find something more appropriate than boaring black.   ;)

Here!   :D ;D

https://www.ok-gummiwerk.de/produkt/en-turschwellerauflage-fur-klassische-mercedes-benz-fahrzeuge/?lang=en#prettyPhoto[product-gallery]/0/


At least "green" is availble but sadly not "brown".


But most important is here, Gentlemen, that light ivory is available in the exact color tone and pattern as was/is original on my '63 with its red interior (Code 203).  ;) :D
I was looking for that correct door sill rubber for 32 years - until I found it ....!
Now, where's the dark grey for the '64 ... (interior code 201)?  ::) :P :-[
Guess, I have to stain the (light) grey they have...   ???



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Re: My 1963 220seb coupe restoration update
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2020, 14:16:28 »
Yay!  Finally a place that offers most of what was offered.  I wonder why dark brown isn't available?   

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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2020, 17:31:18 »
Thanks for posting Achim! Yeah, too bad. Dark brown would be great! I wonder how the caramel would look with the cognac and dark olive green exterior? I think the nougat would be too gaudy. The black mat that is in there now looks ok but not fabulous.

How easy is it to order from them for shipping to the US?
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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2020, 00:56:29 »
Achim.....I was reading your post that you cited in your last bit of commentary.  You stated:

"But most important is here, Gentlemen, that light ivory is available in the exact color tone and pattern as was/is original on my '63 with its red interior (Code 203)

Have a look at the picture below.  You'll notice that this page covers 230SL cars with interior trim code 203.  Look down on the left column where is says "Bodenbelag Fahrerbodenlinks und recht Einstiege", and then "Gummimatten".  Out to the right under the "203" column you'll see a color code 6131 and a color name of Anthracite Grey.  This essentially says that your entrance rail sill mats are supposed to be anthracite grey and not light ivory.  If you already knew that then please disregard my commentary.  :)