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john.mancini

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Complete Engine rebuild
« on: April 23, 2020, 01:11:56 »
Looking at a pretty nice 230SL. Very nice body, from a dry climate. No previous rust or accident damage. My impression is that it needs an complete engine rebuild though. Something I know very little about. I do know that blue smoke that doesn't go away once the engine is warmed up is not a good sign. Has anyone out there had a recent rebuild? What am I looking at cost wise? Roughly?

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Re: Complete Engine rebuild
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2020, 01:55:58 »
230SL engine parts cost more than 280SL. $10-15k.
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Re: Complete Engine rebuild
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2020, 02:25:14 »
Thanks Vander. Good to know.
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Re: Complete Engine rebuild
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2020, 15:43:09 »
Depending on the total mileage, a complete cylinder head rebuild will cure problems like this 90 % of the time.
Joe Alexander
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Re: Complete Engine rebuild
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2020, 17:22:24 »
Depending on the total mileage, a complete cylinder head rebuild will cure problems like this 90 % of the time.
Yes, but any buyer should allow for a total rebuild in the price negotiated..........

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Re: Complete Engine rebuild
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2020, 21:59:53 »
Depending on the total mileage, a complete cylinder head rebuild will cure problems like this 90 % of the time.

And for my 6,000th post. ( TA DA )   ;D

Joe, that's kind of like having a vasectomy done on just one side. It only fixes half of the cause and almost none of the problem .  :)
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Re: Complete Engine rebuild
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2020, 23:03:52 »
Mercedes-Benz publishes massive amounts of technical data and "permissible wear limits" so you can make an informed judgement on what is worn out and what is still usable. it is always easiest to replace everything with new if your pockets are deep enough.
Joe Alexander
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2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
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Re: Complete Engine rebuild
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2020, 23:29:45 »
The only thing in the lower end that could causes "blue smoke" are worn rings. Relatively easy diagnosed with a thorough compression/leak-down test. Quite a few other things can cause it in the head, so I would agree with Joe on that.
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Re: Complete Engine rebuild
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2020, 01:11:32 »
Depending on the mileage and history, when the head is off, often times I will remove the sub-pan and slide a piston out the top, to spot check the condition of the rings and piston ring grooves.
Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
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Re: Complete Engine rebuild
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2020, 11:13:44 »
I’m currently half way through what started as an engine bay tidy up for my SL230 in the U.K. .The cost will very much depend on what outcome you will the happy with. Shipwrights syndrome more commonly known as Shipwrights disease is the major risk. If you employ a specialist £20,000 was quoted to me.
      In short ,Bonnet /hood removed ,engine out ,strip down the easy bit. Send all metal (except injectors and fuel pipes ) for passivation, powder coating ,painting or coating including bolts screws and washers .
     Buy new injectors ,fuel lines. Buy new, all rubber, gaskets ,seals and filters . With the engine out arrange an engine bay respray. Send radiator for re core and renew hoses. The engines out so the ideal time to replace steering rods king pins and dampers .Arrange for the head to be re built . Send engine for measurements discover problems and decide to buy a new set of pistons . You may be able to come in at about £12,000 if you do some work yourself. Good luck, only other thing is allow lots of time .

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Re: Complete Engine rebuild
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2020, 14:13:48 »


……. that's kind of like having a vasectomy done on just one side.

Surely you'd have to be half-nuts to get one side done?  ;D
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Re: Complete Engine rebuild
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2020, 17:30:16 »
You guys are too funny!  :D ;D ;) ;)
Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
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Re: Complete Engine rebuild
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2020, 22:11:08 »
I would speak with Mike at Metric Motors in Los Angeles.  He is truly professional and his work is exceptional.  He only rebuilds these types of motors.  I recently installed a fully rebuilt 250 motor from Metric and I'm most impressed.  Looks beautiful too. 
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Re: Complete Engine rebuild
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2020, 04:36:59 »
You guys are too funny!  :D ;D ;) ;)

I'm not a slow mechanic and I'm not a fast mechanic; I guess that makes me a half fast mechanic.
1966 230SL 5 speed, LSD, header pipes, 300SE distributor, ported, polished and balanced, AKA  ''The Red Rocket ''
Dan Caron's SL Barn

1970  3.5 Coupe
1961  190SL
1985   300CD  Turbo Coupe
1981  300SD
2013  GMC  Sierra
1965  230SL
1967 250SL
1970 280SL
1988 560SEC