Author Topic: Sparkplug discontinued? (Read 9913 times)

66andBlue · « **Reply #25 on:** June 20, 2020, 05:09:36 »

Hello Wolfgang,
if you look closely under the column "S" it states "Firing End Construction", the fixed terminal nut is on the other end.
Since this NGK nomenclature is so confusing I inquired with the NGK Technical Support-USA why some BP5ES have a removable terminal and on others it is fixed. Here the reply:
"Thank you for your inquiry.
There are different terminal types for spark plugs. We no longer offer BP5ES in a loose design, the type where you can unscrew the tip, so the solid terminal type is normal for this plug. The loose design has superseded to the solid terminal type, stock number 7832 to stock number 2140.
Please let me know if you have any additional questions."
I followed up by asking whether there is a decoder that would tell us which stock number for other plugs has the removable terminal nut but received no further replies.

Thus anyone searching for the correct BP5ES look for stock number 7832. Or perhaps for stock number 6511 as Paul noted earlier.

And if you search for BP6ES then find stock number 7333 and DO NOT buy the new stock number 7811, it has a fixed terminal.

Given that confusing state of part numbers it will be best to ask specifically whether the plug has a removable terminal nut.

FGN59 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 20, 2020, 22:16:10 »

I recently purchased 2 sets of plugs on Amazon, one of BP5ES (6511) and the other BP6ES (7811). Both types have removable terminals screwed onto the external threaded part (lead?) that fits into the connector of our cars. Once The terminals are removed, they fit perfectly.

66andBlue · « **Reply #27 on:** June 21, 2020, 04:33:31 »

Good to know that you found a 7811 with a removable terminal nut.
This is another proof that NGK's numbering is out of wack.
Here are the details from another NGK information site (I added the coloring to highlight):
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BP6ES - NGK Replacement Spark Plug Sparkplug - NEW No. 7811
Spanner Size : 20.8 mm (21mm)
Thread : M14
Thread Length : 19mm
Top Connection : FIXED top nut (Terminal Nut)
Spark Projection : 3mm
Nickel Centre Electrode
1 Single Earth Electrode
Non Resistor Type
Seat Type : Gasket Washer
--

mdsalemi · « **Reply #28 on:** June 22, 2020, 15:42:04 »

Hmmm.

I stock both BP5ES and BP6ES in my "kit".
Stock #s 7832 and 7333 respectively. With removable tops.
My car runs better with the BP5ES, so that's what I just bought for a lifetime supply. I do have a new set of the BP6 as well.

alpina · « **Reply #29 on:** June 22, 2020, 18:48:55 »

I recently bought NGK BP5ES (6511) from Amazon here in Spain and they have removable tops.

Atazman · « **Reply #30 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:39:33 »

Who would have thought..........first toilet paper and now spark plugs!

I joined right in thinking it is time to change my BP6ES plugs for BP5ES. Went to one of my favorite places (Rock Auto) and bought apparently their last "5" BP5ES for $0.81/each. I know..... how much good will "5" spark plugs do me?? They arrived this past week.

Well.... I need at least 1 more BP5ES plug, so ordered from EBAY. Also arrived this past week, only it is a BPR5ES plug. I sent it back.

Still on the hunt for one more BP5ES.

neelyrc · « **Reply #31 on:** June 23, 2020, 05:36:05 »

Quote from: Atazman on June 23, 2020, 04:39:33

Still on the hunt for one more BP5ES.

Try Advanced Auto Parts, physical stores, not on line. A few days ago when I bought the last set of 6 from one store they had two single plugs still on the shelf. Another of their stores I checked also had two only. You might get lucky!

UJJ · « **Reply #32 on:** June 23, 2020, 13:29:55 »

I just got 12 from Rock Auto for $1.48 each.

mdsalemi · « **Reply #33 on:** June 24, 2020, 20:36:41 »

Quote from: Atazman on June 23, 2020, 04:39:33

Also arrived this past week, only it is a BPR5ES plug. I sent it back.

Still on the hunt for one more BP5ES.

PM sent.

jeblack123 · « **Reply #34 on:** June 24, 2020, 20:40:02 »

Still available on Amazon for about $3.00 each......

4-pack
https://www.amazon.com/NGK-Spark-Plugs-BP5ES-Plug/dp/B001P9F0RI/ref=sr_1_16?dchild=1&keywords=bp5es&qid=1593031037&s=automotive&sr=1-16

12 pack
https://www.amazon.com/NGK-BP5ES-Standard-Spark-Plug/dp/B07GVP3QM7/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=bp5es+12+pack&qid=1593031129&s=automotive&sr=1-1

James (Eddie) Black

mdsalemi · « **Reply #35 on:** June 24, 2020, 20:42:24 »

Quote from: jeblack123 on June 24, 2020, 20:40:02

Still available on Amazon for about $3.00 each......

Both AlexD and myself tried this. They send the Resistor plugs!!!

mrfatboy · « **Reply #36 on:** June 24, 2020, 20:45:15 »

Quote from: mdsalemi on June 24, 2020, 20:42:24

Both AlexD and myself tried this. They send the Resistor plugs!!!

This happened to a friend of mine also.

jeblack123 · « **Reply #37 on:** June 24, 2020, 21:17:50 »

Thank you. I stand corrected......

James

Benz Dr. · « **Reply #38 on:** June 24, 2020, 22:37:02 »

I've had the same plugs in my car for over ten years and I've never had them out to even look at them. Once you get your ignition and fuel ratios set right pugs should last a long time. I've probably put 30,000 miles on the car in the last ten years.

Mike K · « **Reply #39 on:** June 26, 2020, 13:28:41 »

About a year ago I noticed that theses spark plugs were becoming increasingly difficult to find, both in France and South Africa. It didn't seem to make sense.

I had a sneaky feeling that at some point they were going to discontinue these plugs. So I bought a dozen of the BP5ES for my 280SL Pagoda which lives in France and dozen of the BP6EFS for my R107 300SL which lives in South Africa.

Based on Dan's numbers above that should be enough spark plugs to outlive me.....

mdsalemi · « **Reply #40 on:** June 26, 2020, 17:48:16 »

My guess is good old standby Bosch and Champion have non-resistor plugs that will work.

Benz Dr. · « **Reply #41 on:** June 26, 2020, 18:17:28 »

I won't use Champion spark plugs on an aluminum head engine. Both Bosch and NGK use nickel-plated shells which tend not to seize in aluminum. Use whatever you want but be careful with what you use.

mdsalemi · « **Reply #42 on:** June 27, 2020, 18:59:56 »

Quote from: Benz Dr. on June 26, 2020, 18:17:28

I won't use Champion spark plugs on an aluminum head engine. Both Bosch and NGK use nickel-plated shells which tend not to seize in aluminum. Use whatever you want but be careful with what you use.

Champion plugs today feature what they call "TinTac® and ULTRASEAL" and they claim "eliminates the need for use of anti-seize compound by providing the best corrosion protection of any spark plug"

I'm not here to sell them [Champion] or to test them; I have a lifetime supply of NGK.

If you ever screw anything in, that eventually must come out, particularly with dissimilar metals, I'm a fan of anti-seize. I generally use light coatings of "silver grade".

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #43 on:** June 28, 2020, 08:53:10 »

i just renewed my stock of W7DC and had no problem buying 100 of them from my usual supplier.

WRe · « **Reply #44 on:** June 28, 2020, 09:05:45 »

Hi,
I second Dan's statement about Champion spark plugs. I've used them for years and 30.000km and had problems with my new NGKs because of "altered" threads. It was hard to screw the NGKs in.
...WRe

merrill · « **Reply #45 on:** June 29, 2020, 19:42:57 »

hello

NAPA has the NGK 7333 BP6ES on the shelf
Bosch W7DC are available from K&K and Authentic classics as well as other suppliers

I ended up buying 6 ngk from Napa and 12 w7dc from a vw supply house.
At the rate i drive i now have a lifetime supply of these plugs.

mdsalemi · « **Reply #46 on:** June 30, 2020, 13:10:26 »

Quote from: merrill on June 29, 2020, 19:42:57

NAPA has the NGK 7333 BP6ES on the shelf
Bosch W7DC are available from K&K and Authentic classics as well as other suppliers

Merrill, it depends on where you are! Here in NC, they are about wiped out (NAPA) of the NGKs. One local place had none; another had 5. I ended up buying sets at O'Reilly and Advanced. Of course AlexD and his pals in the Raleigh-Durham area wiped out the NAPA supply...

...and like many others I now have 18 BP5ES "in stock", as well as a set of BP6ES.

col320ce · « **Reply #47 on:** July 01, 2020, 13:01:32 »

There are still plenty available in Australia ... if anyone needs pointing in the right direction let me know.

WRe · « **Reply #48 on:** July 01, 2020, 14:44:23 »

Hi,
in the meantime I believe that this story "to stop the production of non-resistor plugs" was launched by NGK to push their spark plug sales. ;-)
...WRe

mdsalemi · « **Reply #49 on:** July 01, 2020, 15:43:30 »

Quote from: WRe on July 01, 2020, 14:44:23

Hi,
in the meantime I believe that this story "to stop the production of non-resistor plugs" was launched by NGK to push their spark plug sales. ;-)
...WRe

Haha. Remember, that all the plugs we've purchased, as far as NGK has been concerned, were already sold. Whether they sit on the shelf at NAPA or Advanced, or O'Reilly--doesn't matter. These retailers already bought and paid for them. We're just reducing inventory.

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Author Topic: Sparkplug discontinued? (Read 9913 times)