Author Topic: console liner (Read 11313 times)

John Betsch - "SADIE" · « **on:** January 03, 2021, 20:03:11 »

Does anyone have a picture of the correct liner in the center console box. I believe it to be rubber/vinyl. Would it have the same "embossments/grain/stampings" as the trunk mat and or the rubber footwell liners?

jb

mrfatboy · « **Reply #1 on:** January 03, 2021, 20:34:51 »

Not the best pic but here a pic from a 250. It’s just a piece of MB Tex. I believe it was the same for all models but a mb guru might know more 🤣

Pawel66 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 03, 2021, 21:12:24 »

I am not a Guru, but I have read these were made of MB tex or leather as per the upholstery for a given car. That is also reflected in the factory specs sheet we have somewhere on this forum, at least for late cars.

However: this kind of liner is quite unpractical as objects slide freely on it. It is a good idea to have one made as per specs, but another one made off, e.g. carpet material.

I am not sure if it was rubber on earlier cars.

49er · « **Reply #3 on:** January 03, 2021, 23:16:01 »

Here are a couple of photos of mine that shows the embossed edge. The material seems to be slightly different then what is used for the car's upholstery. it appears to be made from thinner material and and has a smoother surface then the "pebble-ly" MB Tex used for the rest of the interior. Also it is slightly darker then my cognac interior.

John

MikeSimon · « **Reply #4 on:** January 03, 2021, 23:22:31 »

The one in my car is exactly the same material as the carpets. Looks like it is original.

Mike Hughes · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2021, 00:09:04 »

The thin embossed edge vinyl center console box liner like John pictures would be as originally supplied by the factory. After years of exposure to sunlight they tended to discolor, shrink up or crack and thus deteriorated find their way into the trash. Bound carpet inserts may have been offered individually by some dealership parts departments in the 60's and 70's as replacements for missing or deteriorated vinyl liners, and have been commonly included in replacement carpet kits for many years.

John Betsch - "SADIE" · « **Reply #6 on:** January 04, 2021, 00:20:26 »

Now I'm getting more confused. I have read in various places that it is
1) a rubber insert like in the footwells or trunk pad,
2) material that was used for the upholstery- either tex or leather, or
3) carpeting to match what is in the car, assumedly square weave

What is the 113.org consensus of what would have been originally delivered on a May '65 manufactured Pagoda?

jb

Mike Hughes · « **Reply #7 on:** January 04, 2021, 01:02:35 »

My February '66 production 230SL with Cream Tex interior (121) has a thin embossed edge vinyl liner in the same dark brownish color and texture as the padded vinyl window crank inserts. I'll post photos when I can get some sunlight on the subjects.

The embossed edge is just like that shown in John's 280SL vinyl liner photos. You will also note that the corners are rounded at one end of the liner but not rounded at the other end. I would suspect that John's padded vinyl window crank inserts probably match the console liner material.

Just as the 230SL M-B Tex seat material is a smoother finer grain than the more textured grain found on the seats of later cars like the 280SL, the vinyl console liner and window crank inserts are made from a smoother finer grain vinyl than that pictured in John's post.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2021, 05:42:24 »

SADIE, carpeting - no. Carpeting is just done by some of the owners for convenience to prevent objects in the tray from sliding from side to side making noise.

badali · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2021, 12:38:28 »

My 230SL was built in Oct 65 and is the same material as 49ers but Caviar MB tex black...

Jonny B · « **Reply #10 on:** January 04, 2021, 16:08:22 »

This is listed in the set of changes for the cars. The vinyl embossed liner was used through VIN ending in 12089 as of 12 August 1969. This is as per the list of changes from the Engelen book. Published in English translation in Pagoda World 25

Iconic · « **Reply #11 on:** January 04, 2021, 16:10:37 »

Jonny B,
And carpet after that, correct?
Mark

Jonny B · « **Reply #12 on:** January 04, 2021, 16:18:35 »

Oops on my part. Yes, listed as carpet after 12089

Pawel66 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 04, 2021, 17:14:18 »

Well, this document says: leather for leather upholstery until VIN 12088.

This is the discussion we once had here: what were the specs after 12088. Namely the discussion was about the colour of the sill trim rubber inserts after VIN no. 12088. Black ones won, unfortunately...

So carpet was there after that VIN!

Thank you.

John Betsch - "SADIE" · « **Reply #14 on:** January 04, 2021, 18:54:29 »

Thank you to all who helped in resolving my dilemma. So, the final answer is: light antique yellow leather (1065) to match my upholstery

merci

jb

neelyrc · « **Reply #15 on:** January 06, 2021, 03:58:54 »

The following thread discussed this matter a few years ago.

https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=24291.msg173909#msg173909

mbpaul · « **Reply #16 on:** January 06, 2021, 17:45:05 »

I bought my 230SL new. It is registered as a 1966 model but was actually built in August or September, 1965. The picture is of the original liner or mat or whatever you might call it from the center console. The car has a blue MB tex interior. The liner is plastic, not leather, but the grain is slightly different than anything else in the car. It is also a darker shade of blue than anything else in the car. It originally had a thin foam rubber backing but the went away long ago. You can see the remnants of that backing on the back side. I actually think it survived quite well for being over 50 years old.

Mike Hughes · « **Reply #17 on:** January 08, 2021, 21:02:43 »

As promised, here are a couple of photos of the vinyl console liner rom my February 1966 production 230SL with Tex interior.

One can see the embossed edges, rounded corners at one end only and evidence of the long ago disintegrated foam backing (or should I say the glue with particles of foam embedded in it that once adhered the original foam padding to the reverse side of the liner!).

The second photo shows the similar color of the liner and window crank inserts. Note that the texture and grain of the vinyl for the liner, window crank inserts and door card all seem to be similar, if not identical.

John Betsch - "SADIE" · « **Reply #18 on:** January 08, 2021, 23:56:39 »

just a silly addition, but Michael's Crafts sells 1/8" thin foam isheets in 12x 18" in a multitude of colors which can be easily spray glued to fix the disintegrating older foam

Jonny B · « **Reply #19 on:** January 09, 2021, 16:50:12 »

True enough, and Authentic Classics sells a rubber type liner.

The difficulty is the embossed edge. I asked a couple of upholstery places about this, and that is a stumbling block for a reproduction. Getting the proper mold to make the edge look like the original.

49er · « **Reply #20 on:** January 09, 2021, 19:43:37 »

This is off topic but interesting that there were posts on this thread from at least three original owners. I know a while back there were articles in Pagoda Notes about a few of our members who were smart enough to buy these great cars when new, including myself

, and I am just curious if there was ever a total number of these lucky folks compiled.

John

MikeSimon · « **Reply #21 on:** January 10, 2021, 16:33:27 »

The car was not "attractive" to me when it was new. In 1970 I had just received my car driver's license in Germany, and bought my first car, a then used 9 year old Fiat 1500S OSCA. It was a car I could afford. Two (rich

) classmates of mine each bought 190SLs for about 3,000 Deutsche Mark a piece.

This was twice what I paid for the Fiat.
In 1982, my then-wife and I were looking at a recreational vehicle, and while I first opted for a motorcycle, we decided on a car. We were looking for a Triumph TR6 and then a colleague, who worked for the car distribution department strongly suggested a W113. We did and found it.

col320ce · « **Reply #22 on:** January 16, 2021, 01:57:05 »

Getting back to the centre console

Did any of these come with lids originally? Mine has a lid so I assume it's a replacement.
Sorry for the hijack but seems like a good place to have this info.

49er · « **Reply #23 on:** January 16, 2021, 04:02:31 »

My SL’s did not have a cover.

John

Mike Hughes · « **Reply #24 on:** January 16, 2021, 04:49:41 »

A lid was not standard, but not a bad idea at all, and your lid looks to have been well executed by someone with some woodworking skill.

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