Author Topic: Data card paper thickness  (Read 2481 times)

Peter

  • Full Member
  • Silver
  • ****
  • Netherlands, North Brabant, Helmond
  • Posts: 469
Data card paper thickness
« on: February 12, 2021, 20:55:20 »
Does someone know the paper thickness of the original data cards?

Printing paper is usually 80 or 90 GSM (Grams per Square Meter).

Thanks, Peter

mrfatboy

  • Associate Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, CA, Rancho Santa Fe
  • Posts: 1339
    • Mrfatboy
Re: Data card paper thickness
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2021, 21:24:59 »
I believe I used the 100# card stock that was supplied  by FEDEX office.
1969 280sl (Aug 1968 build)
Signal Red
4 Speed

zoegrlh

  • Full Member
  • Gold
  • *****
  • USA, VA, Williamsburg
  • Posts: 808
  • Beauty from top BCW
Re: Data card paper thickness
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2021, 21:36:50 »
I got card stock from Staples, but it was a lighter card stock, almost as light as paper.
Robert Hyatt
Williamsburg, VA.

W113, 1970 280SL, Red leather 242 on Silver Gray Met. 180, 4-speed stick, Euro spec, restored
R172 2012 SLK350, Black Premium leather 801 on Mars Red 590, 7-speed auto
W211, 2007 E320 Bluetec, Cashmere MB Tex 144 on Arctic White 650, 7 speed auto

alpina

  • Vendor
  • Silver
  • ****
  • Spain, Asturias, Villaviciosa
  • Posts: 279
Re: Data card paper thickness
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2021, 21:50:01 »
The data cards were printed on IBM format computer punch cards. Card size is 7 3⁄8 by 3 1⁄4 inches (187.325 mm ×82.55 mm). The cards are made of smooth stock, 0.007 inches (180 μm) thick. There are about 143 cards to the inch (56/cm). In 1964, IBM changed from square to round corners. They come typically in boxes of 2000 cards or as continuous form cards.
205GSM should be very close.

Peter

  • Full Member
  • Silver
  • ****
  • Netherlands, North Brabant, Helmond
  • Posts: 469
Re: Data card paper thickness
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2021, 22:42:40 »
Thanks DM,

good info, I did not know that the IBM Mainframe card format was used.

0.007 inches is 140/145 gsm.

^Peter

mdsalemi

  • Pagoda SL Board
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, NC, Davidson
  • Posts: 7056
Re: Data card paper thickness
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2021, 22:47:44 »
Almost (but not all) all "IBM style" punchcards had a notch in the upper left or upper right corner; the images of the data card don't have this notch.
Almost (but not all) all also were printed with numbers on the front side, each number punched out depending on the instruction on the card.
There are plenty of "used" IBM punchcards for sale on eBay. There are also a lot of unused. Almost all I saw were as I described, though one small lot was "totally blank".
Most of the original punch cards were "manila" in color. There were other colors made, and often the other color (pink, orange, etc.) was used to identify the beginning and end of a "block" of cards used as a program.

Though tapes and disks were well in use when I was an undergraduate, there still were a few IBM punchcard machines (offline devices where you typed in your program and punched a card) at the computing center at my university for those doing some Fortran Programming on the IBM System/370. They were soon gone when terminals came into general use.

If you are trying to duplicate your datacard, understand you are making a replica. You'll never be exact; you'll use a laser printer or an inkjet, not solvent-based printer's ink. 80# or 100# cardstock will suffice as Mr. Fatboy found. Cardstock comes in different weights so just find a good heavy one.
Michael Salemi
Davidson, North Carolina (Charlotte Area) USA
1969 280SL (USA-Spec)
Signal Red 568G w/Black Leather (Restored)
2023 Ford Maverick Lariat Hybrid "Area 51"
2023 Ford Escape Hybrid
2024 Ford Mustang Mach Ex PEV

Peter

  • Full Member
  • Silver
  • ****
  • Netherlands, North Brabant, Helmond
  • Posts: 469
Re: Data card paper thickness
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2021, 09:57:36 »
If you are trying to duplicate your datacard, understand you are making a replica. You'll never be exact; you'll use a laser printer or an inkjet, not solvent-based printer's ink. 80# or 100# cardstock will suffice as Mr. Fatboy found. Cardstock comes in different weights so just find a good heavy one.

Michael,

out of curiosity, what type of printers were used with such IBM systems?

Peter

alpina

  • Vendor
  • Silver
  • ****
  • Spain, Asturias, Villaviciosa
  • Posts: 279
Re: Data card paper thickness
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2021, 16:02:27 »
IBM card

mdsalemi

  • Pagoda SL Board
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, NC, Davidson
  • Posts: 7056
Re: Data card paper thickness
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2021, 17:06:15 »
out of curiosity, what type of printers were used with such IBM systems?

I wasn't sure of the nature of your question, but I'll try answering both interpretations. One of the main printers used on an IBM System 370 was the  IBM 3211 chain printer (or similar); this was an impact printer and could print an astounding 2000 lines per minute. The standard printing medium on this printer was wide format fan-fold paper, usually with alternating light green bars to allow a viewer to better see across the page. Those chain printers made quite a bit of noise when going full bore; they were in sound-insulated cabinets. The programmers back then, for fun, would often program the printing to play a tune. https://youtu.be/Lu4SxJqU9I4 (N. B. I went to a school ranked as probably #3 in the nation for computer science though that was not my major. Needless to say, their computing resources were enormous.)

If the question was how were the images (all those numbers) printed on a typical IBM style punchcard, well, we have to guess. There were probably a number of vendors; unlike today (yes I'm on my soapbox lecturing) companies like IBM then NEVER relied on a single source vendor for essential items and thus never had material shortages. They didn't use "JIT" or any modern wacky supply chain schemes; can you imagine an IBM client in 1972 paying $50,000 or more a month in a computer lease, being told by IBM "Sorry, there was a fire at the paper mill, and we're out of punchcards for the next 60 days" or "Sorry, we have plenty of cards but they are all blank because our printer went on strike". Today, that's common, Then, no, it would never happen. There were certainly multiple vendors (all clamoring for business) and all following strict protocols. My first job after college was for a company supplying large test equipment to IBM. IBM had strict wiring protocols and sent their engineers to our plant to redesign the wiring colors and schemes on equipment going to IBM...

Back in the days of punchcards, there was only one kind of black printing ink. It was solvent-based, meaning the ink vehicle was petroleum-derived. The pigment was carbon black. There were various additives depending on the precise printing method and other factors. Additives were used to control drying, viscosity, etc. I would guess that there was a 99.9% certainty the cards were printed in bulk by web offset and in a post-press converting operation, slit and cut into cards. The need for these was so great that there were probably dedicated lines set up and the converting operation immediately after printing. Thus, the "input" was card stock on a roll (web); and the output was finished boxes of cards. It probably difficult for us to imagine today, but every single line of code programmed into a computer back then required one card. Every change required another card. A production analogy today is magazines; the input is text stock on a roll (web) and the output is completely finished magazines, not only addressed in line, but also shrink-wrapped, sorted by carrier route, and palletized!

Today, there is no such uniformity in black ink. There are water-based inks and soy-based inks. There are "eco inks" and more, and that's just for offset printing.

Digital printing is just like a laser printer: there are toners that are fused onto the paper. There are also various kinds of ink-jet digital printing. Some use solvent-based inks, others a water-based or other more eco-friendly. Some are heat-cured, some are UV cured. It very much depends on the digital press.

For these data cards being replicated in a home office, you are going to print them on a laser printer or on an inkjet printer. If on the former, unless you use special solvent-based cartridges (not generally available for many home office printers) your card will "run" if it gets the slightest bit damp or wet. A laser printer's result will not do that. Either will appear very close to the original printing, but as they say, "it's only original once"; just remember you are creating a replica, not an original.

I'm OK with that; I have a restored car!  :)

Note, by the way, on the photos of "IBM" style punchcards posted by Alpinaltd: the "data cards" all have 4 rounded corners. The one appearing not as a data card but more as an "IBM Card" has the notch in the upper left.

The printer of those [probably German sourced] IBM punchcards is still around. https://www.hummel-print.com/
« Last Edit: February 13, 2021, 19:08:04 by mdsalemi »
Michael Salemi
Davidson, North Carolina (Charlotte Area) USA
1969 280SL (USA-Spec)
Signal Red 568G w/Black Leather (Restored)
2023 Ford Maverick Lariat Hybrid "Area 51"
2023 Ford Escape Hybrid
2024 Ford Mustang Mach Ex PEV

Peter

  • Full Member
  • Silver
  • ****
  • Netherlands, North Brabant, Helmond
  • Posts: 469
Re: Data card paper thickness
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2021, 20:14:44 »
Michael,

very good and interesting overview. My curiosity is more than satisfied.

Your elaborate story also brings my memories back to my high school when we programmed with the IBM cards, sent them to the computer center, and got the output back two weeks later.

It was an interesting period looking back.

Peter

Shvegel

  • Inactive
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, OH, Cleveland Heights
  • Posts: 2978
Re: Data card paper thickness
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2021, 14:15:11 »
My Dad used to bring home entire boxes of IBM cards from work which we would use to build houses of cards on a grand scale.  From sense memory I find 80# stock to be very close.