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Koorzen

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Engine head number
« on: September 09, 2021, 17:00:11 »
The head on my 280SL 1970 has the number 130 016 11 01 and the designation 280SE. Are these the correct markings for this model?
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Lukasz

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Re: Engine head number
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2021, 17:03:00 »
Please look it up in Tech Manual under Engine.
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Re: Engine head number
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2021, 19:08:45 »
of course, the first thing I did was to look for answers there. Unfortunately, in the table there is the same part number, but the designation 280SE does not match.
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Lukasz

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Re: Engine head number
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2021, 06:53:47 »
Lukasz, ok, I see, indeed this designation is not there.

I briefly looked through some of the posts on 280Sl cylinder heads designation discussions but have not spotted SE designation. But again, I looked just briefly. You may want to look at it more thoroughly than I did with the use of search function, before others answer.

The logic applied to these designations is a bit of a mystery, especially that the casting numbers, in your case 130 016 1101, are not part numbers, so we cannot track where those heads were installed.

I hop someone chimes in to help.
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Re: Engine head number
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2021, 18:37:58 »
I think it is time to acknowledge that the chart for the cylinder head markings/numbers is not complete. Actual original hardware showing numbers that are not listed is proof.
I would think casting number 130 016 11 01 could very well have been paired with 280SE also
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Re: Engine head number
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2021, 02:24:35 »
According to WorldPac, that is the correct cylinder head for that model, engine #.
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Re: Engine head number
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2021, 10:04:02 »
Quote from: daveott3 on September 11, 2021, 02:24:35
According to WorldPac, that is the correct cylinder head for that model, engine #.

What engine No.?

Can you provide a link/quote?
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Re: Engine head number
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2021, 14:33:08 »
Quote from: Pawel66 on September 10, 2021, 06:53:47
Lukasz, ok, I see, indeed this designation is not there.

I briefly looked through some of the posts on 280Sl cylinder heads designation discussions but have not spotted SE designation. But again, I looked just briefly. You may want to look at it more thoroughly than I did with the use of search function, before others answer.

The logic applied to these designations is a bit of a mystery, especially that the casting numbers, in your case 130 016 1101, are not part numbers, so we cannot track where those heads were installed.

I hop someone chimes in to help.

So 130 016 1101 is not a part number?
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Lukasz

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Re: Engine head number
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2021, 15:45:40 »
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Re: Engine head number
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2021, 18:27:53 »
No, 130 016 1101 is a casting number. They are not part numbers.

Yes, there are heads with this casting number and with other markings also in Tech Manual. I have not seen just "SE" yet. I cannot say definitely it was for W113 or not. we do not understand fully the logic of these markings. You could try to guess that Daimler had SE/SL, they might have decided to make clear distinction at some stage and started using SL and SE separately, then abandoned it, but it is just suppositions. Point is - I do not think we know - unless other Members chime in. If anyone has never seen it on SL it may mean it is form SE. But it is not for sure and these heads might have been used by factory as they came. The division we are aware of is the US (Emission Controls) and Euro, as well as changes in time.

You may compare the two pictures, maybe you will find the differences.

You may ask the seller on ebay, but I think he may not be aware of the sequencing of markings.
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Re: Engine head number
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2021, 14:13:05 »
There is an ID marking "SE/A" which does not say "SL" but that head is indeed the most common head on the 280SL
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Re: Engine head number
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2021, 18:00:06 »
I came back to this thread because of a similar question in another post. I looked at the pictures again and the engine serial number shown in the pic with the 280SE mark seems strange.
It seems to be 51669. Cannot read whether it is 130 983 but the last five digits are definitely not 280SL
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Re: Engine head number
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2021, 12:43:19 »
The engine block definitely doesn't belong to my car. I was curious if the head wasn't either. Can I ask for pictures of your engine numbers and cylinder head markings? Our cars are from the same period.
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Lukasz

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Re: Engine head number
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2021, 13:17:51 »
You may want to go to Tech Manual, Engine, Engine Numbers and Cylinder head chapters.

A lot of posts on this topic - if you use search function and type in "cylinder head" in parenthesis.
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