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Can you believe that...?
« on: December 12, 2021, 15:42:58 »
Last year i sent my speedo in Bruxelles (Belgium) at a knowledgeable company specialized in refurbishing any counters.....! 1000 kms after i  heard a "crack" in the dash while driving, and then no more odometer .
After opening the speedo i saw that ugly weld repair.... i think they replaced the original shaft with another ratio one from another speedo, but welding in a wrong orientation so the "brass pinion " has been grinded by the steel pinion ....
I am furious about that kind of job coming from a "professional" i"ll have soon a call and ask them how they can make up for the issue!!
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Re: Can you believe that...?
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2021, 17:27:35 »
In case I know a pro very close to me who you can trust.
He mainly works for Porsche but has all kind of brands.
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Re: Can you believe that...?
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2021, 18:07:12 »
Thank's François, i have already another repair shop ( Porsche and others too) by our "friend" in SELESTAT ....! ;)
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Re: Can you believe that...?
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2021, 22:29:56 »
Hello Yves,

Well, it has been a while since I looked into the inerts of a speedo for the last time and I also do not remember all details
but I do remember some.
First of all, the brass gear you are indicating with your red-white arrow does indeed look a bit worn.
However, I do not think it is oriented incorrectly.
If you look at the orientation of the pinion's teeth at the red-white arrow-tip, the 8 o'clock position, you realize that the teeth are oriented from upper left to lower right. Now, if you turn the wheel by 180° towards the perpendicular worm gear towards the 3 o'clock poition, the teeth of the brass pinion are oriented the other way around: upper-right to lower left, and that is the correct orientation for the worm gear drive. Maybe the distance between worm drive and brass pinion isn't absolutely correctly adjusted, and to me it also seems that there is some grease missing...

If I see the orientation of your speedo correctly, the dial disk is up at 12 o'clock on your picture and the bulbs go in from 6 o'clock. Have you checked what this perpendicular metal shaft does? It appears to me as if that is the drive for the reset knob rather than something that constantly turns while the speedo is working. Have you checked that? You can use a power drill, with a drill covered with a bit of tape. Pushing that into the flange for the speedo cable and running the power drill counterclockwise
should rev the speedo up to about 50 mph.
Then you can see what this mechanism you are showing really does.
Personally I think it is only the reset mechanism for the tripcounter or so.

It is more likely that one of the plastic gears directly attached to the odometer or tripcounter shafts is cracked or loose on its shaft; the very common failure of these mechanisms.

Personally, I would first confront the initial shop with the failure and see how they react,
then you can still send it anywhere else if you don't trust them anymore.

Please keep us updated.

Personally, I have made the experience after getting several speedos repaired with several specialized shops, our instruments are ++ 50 years old and still repairing them doesn't turn them into "new" instruments anymore. There are quite some interts that will always remain "old".

Best,
Achim
« Last Edit: December 12, 2021, 22:42:17 by 114015 »
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Re: Can you believe that...?
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2021, 09:08:40 »
Thank's Achim for your smart answer... The speedo is now in others hands....! ,  it's already enough for me to say that the job is not at least correct!
There is also a plastic pinion worn inside. I wait some photos by the new repair shop and will post them here.
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Re: Can you believe that...?
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2021, 18:49:58 »


Thanks a lot Yves...,

For your comments....
It would have just been interesting to better understand the mechanisms...
We are still always learning....

Good luck
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Achim
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Re: Can you believe that...?
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2021, 19:06:46 »
Many times youtube helped me understand how some of these mechanisms work. Maybe too basic for you, but I found it helpful.
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Re: Can you believe that...?
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2021, 21:18:40 »
Hi Pawel i am as you and is always interested by understanding how the things work....nothing is too basic !
BTW if you know a link about the counters mechanic.... I take !
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Re: Can you believe that...?
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2021, 08:34:41 »
Here is the list of you tube videos for the query "How mechanical speedometers work":
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+mechanical+speedometer+works

Then you can modify your query or follow certain directions, you tube will have suggestions each time.
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Re: Can you believe that...?
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2021, 14:41:50 »
Thank's François, i have already another repair shop ( Porsche and others too) by our "friend" in SELESTAT ....! ;)

Might be the same guy I know. They are not thousands...
1965 230 SL
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1990 Porsche 911/964 carrera 4 SOLD
2020 Harley Davidson Fatboy
2018 Harley Davidson Street Bob SOLD
2003 Harley Davidson Road King Classic SOLD
2017 Harley Davidson softail Slim SOLD
2008 Harley Davidson Softail Fatboy SOLD

My youtube channel #lfgdf