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1971 280SL
« on: March 04, 2022, 15:43:48 »
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2022, 17:48:12 »
That’s where I bought mine. They were happy to spend time with me when I came down for the inspection as most of their buyers are online only.

Great car collection to see while you are there.
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2022, 20:52:05 »
That is a stunningly beautiful car.  And for that price, it should be.

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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2022, 22:16:41 »
At first glance the way the photos are presented makes it look more like a scale model. Should be a 100% good or better than new Pagoda for almost $300K. Tempts me to undertake the same full restoration I am now finishing on my Lancia, and touch a $200K net proceeds ...
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2022, 13:29:42 »
At first glance the way the photos are presented makes it look more like a scale model. Should be a 100% good or better than new Pagoda for almost $300K. Tempts me to undertake the same full restoration I am now finishing on my Lancia, and touch a $200K net proceeds ...

That’s the professional photo style that Hyman uses on nearly all their photography. Expect the same photographic treatment if you’re selling a Pagoda, Porsche or dare I say, a Gogomobil.

The new (Jan-Jun 2022) Hagerty Collector car price guide is out; so check the Lancia values prior to undertaking such a restoration!
Michael Salemi
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2022, 13:39:39 »
Some of the best "car for sale" photos can be found on BaT for the cars sold by 911r in Oregon. He has a professional photographer who does outstanding work
1970/71 280SL Automatic
Sandy Beige
Parchment Leather
Power Steering
Automatic
Hardtop
Heated Tinted Rear Window
German specs
3rd owner

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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2022, 13:47:24 »
I've always found Hyman's pricing to be aggressive.  This example looks beautiful, don't almost all of them in pictures?  For the money being asked, I'd expect the soft top to fit better.
Enjoy some pictures at this link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8292359@N06/sets/72157603240571101/show/

John - Wisconsin
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2022, 22:40:08 »
A bit off topic, but, what battery did they use?  I looks like a Mercedes-Benz battery, but not one that I recognize.
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2022, 15:43:01 »
I've always found Hyman's pricing to be aggressive.  This example looks beautiful, don't almost all of them in pictures?  For the money being asked, I'd expect the soft top to fit better.

All of the dealers will be somewhat "aggressive" in price, Hyman being no different. Note that this was a car restored by the Classic Center, so it was done at an exceedingly high price that the owner is trying to recoup (he probably won't) and of course, there's the fees charged by Hyman.
Michael Salemi
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2022, 19:59:14 »
I agree with Michael.  This is a top notch restoration and anything from the Classic Center commands a high price.  Didn’t one such model just sell for $300K+ at an RM auction that was also a Classic Center restoration?  I think it was an olive green model with a bamboo interior.

I’d love to do such a restoration but it is well beyond my means.  I’m just happy that others do.  Anyone willing to preserve or restore these cars should be applauded. 
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2022, 20:06:42 »
A bit off topic, but, what battery did they use?  I looks like a Mercedes-Benz battery, but not one that I recognize.

Looks like the modern Mercedes-Benz battery available through any M-B dealer parts department.
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2022, 23:16:19 »
one just sold for big money at Gooding Amelia and didn't look THAT great.
Enjoy some pictures at this link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8292359@N06/sets/72157603240571101/show/

John - Wisconsin
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1961 190 SL 23K miles
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2022, 00:04:03 »
I think with a lot of classics that can be restored it does make sense to pick a model that is in demand and spend the hours to make it the best you can. there is a different in price of parts but its the labor that really adds up but if you enjoy what you do and have fun with it why not invest the time?
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2022, 11:53:42 »
one just sold for big money at Gooding Amelia and didn't look THAT great.

https://www.goodingco.com/lot/1971-mercedes-benz-280-sl/
Michael Salemi
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2022, 13:39:23 »
There was a guy on BaT just a couple of days ago in the comments about a Pagoda, who claimed he looked at this car and declined to bit because it had quite a few issues.
1970/71 280SL Automatic
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Hardtop
Heated Tinted Rear Window
German specs
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2022, 00:09:34 »
Here’s a link to the RM auction I mentioned earlier in this thread.  This particular Classic Center restoration sold for a whopping $335K.  Makes the Hyman, Ltd car look like a bargain!   

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo21/monterey/lots/r0120-1968-mercedes-benz-280-sl-pagoda/1129312
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2022, 00:46:29 »
beautiful!

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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2022, 01:01:11 »
its beautiful.
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2022, 03:59:01 »
Take a look at the door panels. They don’t look right to me. For $335 k it looks like an older restoration. The brake reservoir is yellow the dash pad is the old incorrect style. Just surprising for that price
John Krystowski
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2022, 05:58:42 »
There are a number of incorrect elements in the $335K car.  Most members here can point them out.  But in this case being a Classic Center restoration, having the car represent the centers work at Pebble Beach and then being owned by a noted collector all contributed to that price.  When you get into that echelon, it’s all about provenance. 
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2022, 11:26:33 »
When the Mercedes-Benz Classic Center restores a car, they can only use genuine Mercedes-Benz parts. Because of that rule, sometimes they are forced to use used parts in a restoration. Since a lot of parts are no longer available it can lead to some interesting results in restorations…like yellowed brake fluid reservoirs or some interior bits that just don’t match.
Michael Salemi
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2022, 01:26:56 »
I noticed the dash pad and the fact you can get a newer version to look like the originals and for the amount it sold for id expect it to look like the original. still im sure it takes some labor to do a full nuts and bolts renovation. 
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2022, 00:50:50 »
Looking at the VIN it appears to be one of the first 200 280SLs produced.  Might an early 280SL have had a slightly different appearing dash pad from the bulk of subsequent production, maybe more like that of a later 250SL, or am I missing something?
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Re: 1971 280SL
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2022, 01:13:33 »
There is nothing much listed for the first 350 or so cars in the list of changes from the Engelen book. The only thing of note was the switch the one piece wheel covers at VIN ending 00045, and new type hose clamps at VIN ending 00053.
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