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Kenneth Gear

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Freshly waxed
« on: May 29, 2005, 19:32:29 »
I spent the day yesterday washing, claying and waxing so I thought I'd share the results...

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Ken G
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Re: Freshly waxed
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2005, 19:58:42 »
Very nice, Ken. What's your wax of choice?

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Re: Freshly waxed
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2005, 20:08:36 »
I use Griot's Garage "Best of Show" Wax.  While their products are expensive, I think they work very well.

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Re: Freshly waxed
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2005, 20:41:46 »
I like a lot of their products too. Nonetheless, I was always skeptical about their Best of Show wax because I think it has petroleum distillates in it to suspend the wax within the paste. I always figured that would have negative long-term effects on the paint.

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Re: Freshly waxed
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2005, 13:04:03 »
Gee, when I was younger, the way to bring a boy to manhood was a new tin of Classic Wax. My father had me waxing his 280SL whenever he could pull me away on weekends. The reward was going for drives with him and learning how to drive with his car.
 
Somehow the smell of a freshly waxed car is still lingering, perhaps they should make a cologne called "Just Waxed!"

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Re: Freshly waxed
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2005, 18:01:32 »
Ken,

Have you ever tried zymol? I'm a big fan of Griot's soap, detail spray, and clay, but I prefer zymol in its Carbon formulation. It's not the most durable wax, but for a fair weather car as I imagine yours is, it's very, very good. And more importantly, it's very gentle.

My understanding is that petroleum-based products like Griot's Best of Show wax has a drying effect on the paint over time.

Bob Geco: care to comment? We need your professional perspective on this one.

Douglas Kim
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Re: Freshly waxed
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2005, 10:32:22 »
I have never tried Zymol, and never knew about the potential harmful long term effects of petroleum based wax....

I too will anxiously await Mr Geco's input.

Ken G
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Re: Freshly waxed
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2005, 19:01:33 »
I hate to recommend one particular brand of car wax because there seems to be a few good ones out there. The problems that we see nowadays are contamination from organic and industrial fallout IFO.

Because of the clear coat, we do not always see the signs and problems until we look closely at the paint and discover the damage.
There are above surface defects like organic and industrial fallout. There is bird, plant and industrial pollution like exhaust residue that becomes an acid when it is mixed with the dew of the early morning.

Above surface contamination requires a through hand car wash and a light paint cleaner like Meguires Dual Action Cleaner Polish #83 by hand or a orbital DA polisher and a foam pad to restore the paint surface; followed by a good carnauba paste wax without any cleaner in it.

Below surface defects in the paint can be much more problematic. Surface scratches tend to be further down past the clear coat. "Crazing" looks like fine lines in the paint but is actually a mechnical break down of the clear coat. This problem will require refinishing.

Some stains and blemishes, like light marring from shopping carts, can be fixed by carefully polishing and color-sanding the area affected area. I would recommend a special sanding paper from 1500 to 3000 grit depending on how deep the surface imperfection is. Measure first with a paint gauge to determine if there is enough clearcoat to to do this repair.

Clearcoats from automobile manufactures tend to be limited to 2 1/2 mills. Defects deeper than that and you just bought yourself a paint job.

The point I am making is there are a lot of good products out there. If you do not have an idea what to buy, contact the manufacturer and as them for their assistance.

If you keep your car as a weekend driver and have a place to store it, in most cases you will just need a pure polish with a light cleaner to remove towel marks, then a good carnuba wax (Zymol) with some nice micro fiber towels to do your work.

For cars that are used everyday, earns seek out the services of a professional auto detail service. Look for someone willing to advise you of the condition of your vehicle and willing to discuss a plan to take your car two or three times a year for a good through cleaning.

The margins of return are far greater on a car that looks new than on a similar car with the same mileage but no care. Who knows, some of the automobiiles we see being brought to market if properly cared for, could end up as another classic to park along with your SL.

Any comments please email to bobgeco@cs.com

Bob Geco

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Re: Freshly waxed
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2005, 05:51:25 »
Do you agree that waxes that contain pertoleum additives can be harmful to paint ?

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Re: Freshly waxed
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2005, 07:28:00 »
Here's something from the epinions site:

Walk into any conventional auto parts store will show you that there are many waxes out there claiming to be carnauba but unfortunately, there is no government regulations that requires those manufacturers to tell you exactly how much and what type of carnauba wax is in those products. Also, many of these products contains lots of petroleum distillates. These are not helpful to many of today's paints. Petroleum distillates are an easy and inexpensive carrying and emulsifying agent for the wax but actually prevent the carnauba from achieving its full effect.

Here's the link to their primer:

http://www.epinions.com/content_2227019908

On the other hand, Maguires says the opposite on their site. They mention that Chapstick has petroleum distillates and that there are lots of different kinds, including some that are very gentle.

???

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Re: Freshly waxed
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2005, 10:34:07 »
Bees wax is often used to break down the carnauba content and is the first line of defense to melt or wear off from heat and detergent washing. You are wrong in saying there are no regulations from government agencys setting standards in this field.

I constantly get reminders from the California Air Resources Board about their plans to lower the VOC emitting solvents in polishes and waxes along with automotive spray lubricants and household cleaners.
I think the only company that was only slightly affected was Zymol, because they use so many natural plant extracts for their line of waxes and cleaners.

Another thing to remember is today's paints are Theroset and have a shorter cross linking value than theroplastic Lacquer and the old acrylic paints of the 1950s.

Paint does not exhaust in as much as it did in the mid 1950-1960. High solid paint systems and their topcoats (clear) are much like a sponge with more dense ability to oxidize and are not affected like old paint systems. Once they cure, there is no waiting to wax them as opposed to when you purchased an automobile in the 1960's that needed more that 30 days to cure and the smell never seemed to stop out- gassing on the plastics and carpeting, that aroma was distinguishing about a new car smell.

Any good quality car wax and pre wax cleaner, when used according to the manufacture's instructions, will only help preserve the finish on a new or used automobile finish. The problem starts when people reach for the most abrasive compound in those round jars and go cutting away at the paint and the clear coat.

Generally speaking, my wife gets more looks from other drivers in Black cars because she doesn't have swirls and the car looks like it ought to.

I can only say that in the Sistine Chapel with all of Michelangelo's art was cleaned, a Japenese company came in with special cleaners that they held in place with rice paper to remove the old dirt and sediment from his works of art. It took twelve years to restore. It you are intrested look at the discovery channel for this film.

We hardly spend that much time and attention cleaning our cars, that is why it is easy to mess up. We never read the manufacture's warning and instructions.

More to come next time.
Bob Geco

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Re: Freshly waxed
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2005, 14:48:45 »
quote:
Originally posted by Kgear

I spent the day yesterday washing, claying and waxing so I thought I'd share the results...

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Ken G
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Beautiful.  I really enjoy using the Zaino products (no affliliation).  Easy to use, but many steps, but beatuiful results like yours!


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