Oil changes are easy!

[mdsalemi]

…it’s removing the oil filter that’s always messy!

[Kevkeller]

Nice grass.

[Garry]

Michael,


You need a hoist, even if it is just the X lift type………….

[mdsalemi]

Nice grass.

TifTuf Bermuda Hybrid.

[mdsalemi]

You need a hoist, even if it is just the X lift type………….

I'd love a lift of any kind. Would make many things easier. However the oil change mess is purely because of the location of the oil filter canister, AND the fact that it is horizontal. Even after letting everything drain there is no way not to spill a little oil from the canister/filter assembly once you get it off. Oh, yes, I've tried to stuff some rags in there, and caught some of it but sometimes they just get in the way. Not all the stains on those pieces of cardboard are from THIS oil change. Some are the various leaks from sitting, or working on bicycles or any number of dirty things that if they got on the concrete, my wife would NOT be pleased.

The horizontal mount of the oil filter is a really poor design.

I'm always on the hunt for TV boxes and similar to collect large sheets of cardboard.

[lagolag]

This is a handy device that I use and store it under my 230SL when not used

[mdsalemi]

This is a handy device that I use and store it under my 230SL when not used

Really nice! Who makes that?

[lagolag]

I've bought mine locally in Sweden, they are called Quick jack, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=604M7x7CfoY

[EeVeeWee]

I bought this one for in my garage, no regret at all. 

[rwmastel]

Did you make those jack blocks, or jack plates, or whatever they're called, yourself?  That's pretty cool.

How can owners using the jacking holes ensure there is no rust that's hidden?

[Bonnyboy]

Quick jack should be available from Costco.   

Even harbour freight has a copy sometimes

The harbor freight mid rise hoist for $1,999 would be my choice -  its not bendpack quality but looks fine for our smaller cars.

[Benz Dr.]

I'd love a lift of any kind. Would make many things easier. However the oil change mess is purely because of the location of the oil filter canister, AND the fact that it is horizontal. Even after letting everything drain there is no way not to spill a little oil from the canister/filter assembly once you get it off. Oh, yes, I've tried to stuff some rags in there, and caught some of it but sometimes they just get in the way. Not all the stains on those pieces of cardboard are from THIS oil change. Some are the various leaks from sitting, or working on bicycles or any number of dirty things that if they got on the concrete, my wife would NOT be pleased.

The horizontal mount of the oil filter is a really poor design.

I'm always on the hunt for TV boxes and similar to collect large sheets of cardboard.

Lots of cars have horizontal mounted oil filters. Are they also of poor design?
I believe MB did that because of the oil cooler lines, which would also be poor design because of the larger engine requiring extra cooling.

[BobH]

I'm sure this has been covered umpteen times before, but to save me searching, on a 1965 230 that covers less than 3,000 miles per year, how often would you recommend the oil is changed?

Thanks

[Vander]

I'm sure this has been covered umpteen times before, but to save me searching, on a 1965 230 that covers less than 3,000 miles per year, how often would you recommend the oil is changed?

Thanks

Once a year

[Jonny B]

Hopefully not hijacking the thread

I fully agree, once a year. Even sitting the oil can pick up moisture. It is a cheap, good practice.

[BobH]

Thank you both

[mdsalemi]

Lots of cars have horizontal mounted oil filters. Are they also of poor design?

If you make a mess removing (oil leaking out over frame and other parts) an oil filter due to its location, then yes, it's a poor design. Just because it's MB don't think everything they do is perfect. Does anyone remember their incredibly stupid bowing down to the "greenies" and putting self-destructing organic wiring insulation on their wiring harnesses? No other auto manufacturer did anything so incredibly poor in design or execution regarding wiring; pity the people that suffered with this nonsense.

In a commercial oil change place, they may, on a lift, be able to quickly remove the filter, and drop it in one of those elevated collection canisters. Perhaps a minimal mess, easily cleaned. Cleaning is much easier on a lift, rather than on your back, and even at a dealership, very difficult to do without leaking oil on parts in the way.  But really, is it necessary? A vertically mounted filter allows an oil change with little to no mess...which is a better design.

[dirkbalter]

Am I missing something? My oil filter is not mounted horizontally?

[Benz Dr.]

Am I missing something? My oil filter is not mounted horizontally?

230 and 250 are vertical. 280 is mounted on an angle to clear the oil cooler lines.

[Benz Dr.]

I'm sure this has been covered umpteen times before, but to save me searching, on a 1965 230 that covers less than 3,000 miles per year, how often would you recommend the oil is changed?

Thanks

That depends on what kind of oil you use and the type of driving you do. If you do mostly high speed, steady, open road driving, and you use synthetic oil, 3,000 miles is a waste. If you put around town using regular oil, 3,000 miles might be a good idea.

I have tractors and other farm machinery that get oil changes every 400 - 500 hours when recommended is every 100 hours* on regular 15 W 40.  I use a premium synthetic that has a TBN of 12 so it lasts a long time. We change oil filters at 100 - 200 hour intervals. 
* one engine hour is roughly 60 miles.

[BobH]

Thank you Dan

[lagolag]

Yes, I’ve made them myself.
My car is rustfree, so I trust the jack points.
Oil change should be done every year but if it should be changed when the car is parked for the winter or taken out in the spring, I don’t know.

[Bonnyboy]

I have been told that its best if you are storing the vehicle over the winter to change oil before putting it away so it sits with fresh oil (but you have to promise not to start the car - not even once) and then you need to change again in the spring ... so most people I know just change in the spring because temptation gets the better of them and they will start the car up once or twice over the winter ....because thats what we do.

 

[JohnnyC]

Really…, that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard! Well, “And cows can fly” ?

Where and when did that myth start?

Mind as well leave it empty through the winter season and create more damage when you start it again 5 months later with fresh oil…, genius!

Then again, I do not live in that type of climate. So, perhaps I need to learn something about this way of preservation.

Cheers and God Bless,
JohnnyC

[mdsalemi]

Really…, that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard!

Not as ridiculous as it may sound. While I have not heard any data-based facts on the matter, I have heard of two schools of thought. Both seem plausible.

First is change the oil prior to storage so your oil isn't sitting with its contaminants all winter. Changing the oil and the filter assures good clean oil for storage.
I have not heard the "not starting at all" but was always suggested that if I was going to start the car in the winter, then let it warm up, and run it for a bit. When my car was stored in Michigan over the winters for the first 20 years after restoration, I occasionally found myself at the storage location, no snow or moisture on the roads. So I could do it. The weather had to be in my favor however. This first thought--before--seems to be the prevailing thought.

The other school of thought is start the new season with fresh oil; any oil will accumulate moisture over long term (winter storage) so get whatever you have in there out at the start of the season.