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Under the hood (bonnet) appearance
« on: December 14, 2022, 14:30:02 »
As I sit here at my Day Job and have random thoughts regarding my 230SL mechanical restoration, or maybe refurbishment is a better word, I'm wondering how to address the appearance of things under the hood.

This is not a complete list, but to make my point ....
I plan to send out the motor for full rebuild.
I plan to send out the fuel injection pump, injectors, and csv for full rebuild.
I will replace all rubber (hoses, belts, etc.)
I will replace the firewall pad.
I will replace the battery.
I assume I will replace the starter, alternator.

This will create a lot of shiny, pretty things under the hood.  But, I don't have a budget for cosmetics, so I can't re-plate hard fuel lines and other things.  Components like injection linkages, distributor, power steering parts, brake booster & master cylinder, and more will only get cleaned.

How odd will it look to have a mix of old original worn finishes and refurbished/restored finishes?  Has anyone ever told a rebuilder to skip the plating and painting?  Just rebuild the engine (or FI pump) and then simply clean the outside?

I will probably never have the money for overall cosmetics on the car, like a proper paint job, re-chroming, and new interior, so I'm debating how to treat the engine bay.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2022, 15:06:10 by rwmastel »
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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2022, 16:11:02 »
I've used 'cad plating' rattle can spray from Eastwood with pretty good result on underhood parts? Better than doing nothing, and you can do this yourself:

https://www.eastwood.com/eastwood-golden-cad-complete-kit.html
 
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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2022, 16:38:02 »
I have been cleaning as I go.  Painted the radiator, brake booster and coolant overflow tank with rustoleum high heat paint.  A previous owner had sprayed everything black inside the engine bay so I have been stripping and cleaning  relay covers etc.  My throttle linkages were bent so I replaced with these:

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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2022, 16:45:34 »
Getting under hood parts plated is not very expensive. A lot of work to ready the parts though.
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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2022, 17:52:43 »
Since you’re not planning a full on restoration, I think a thorough cleaning of your engine bay and some minor “rattle can” repainting would leave things looking more than respectable.  You’d be surprised how well a toothbrush and soap (degreaser) can make things either look new or at least clean again.  Just look at the difference in Lorsar’s engine bay. I’d say it’s a dramatic improvement! 
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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2022, 18:07:30 »
OK.  When the time comes, I guess I'll let Metric and Pacific FI and/or whoever do their detail cosmetic work on components that I send out.  I'll get brave with the flat black paint like Lori did for the coolant tank, radiator, battery holder, and other appropriate metal parts.  I'll get quotes for cad plating the various parts and see if I can squeeze it in the budget.

Related to cleaning things, I've heard of dry ice cleaning but never looked into it.  Looks impressive, except you can only get to some sides of the parts if they are not removed.  Nice video here cleaning a 280SL - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U-SMe5KC9k
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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2022, 18:59:32 »
Dry ice is $250-300/hour.

OK.  When the time comes, I guess I'll let Metric and Pacific FI and/or whoever do their detail cosmetic work on components that I send out.  I'll get brave with the flat black paint like Lori did for the coolant tank, radiator, battery holder, and other appropriate metal parts.  I'll get quotes for cad plating the various parts and see if I can squeeze it in the budget.

Related to cleaning things, I've heard of dry ice cleaning but never looked into it.  Looks impressive, except you can only get to some sides of the parts if they are not removed.  Nice video here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U-SMe5KC9k
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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2022, 19:14:39 »
You can also rent a machine and bring it home.  Might be nice to do if I get to a point where the engine & transmission are out, the front subframe and rear axle are dropped, and parts like the fuel tank and other stuff are removed.  I don't know the cost, but it would be the best way to clean things!
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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2022, 21:15:53 »
Use satin black rather than flat black. Much closer in appearance.
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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2022, 04:13:49 »
What paint is best for "satin"?
I'm discovering that the definition of "satin" is subjective and, depending on the manufacturer, can sometimes be shinier than I like.
There are very subtle differences between semi-gloss vs satin vs flat. I bought a Rustoleum satin and it was quite shiny (more like semi-gloss), while their flat was more satin (but too flat for my liking), yet not as flat as their "ultra flat"!

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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2022, 04:25:47 »
“ Under the hood (boot) appearance”

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hood = bonnet
Trunk = boot


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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2022, 04:52:56 »
I should stick to my own language.
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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2022, 12:13:40 »
Complete cadmium plating of everything you can get to them in a batch will most likely be only about $400. 1/20th the cost of having your engine rebuilt. You can have it done is twinsburg so no shipping cost.
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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2022, 13:29:59 »
Much more affordable than I anticipated.  PM me your contact in Twinsburg.  There's always a shipping cost, whether you box it and send UPS or take the time to drive it yourself.
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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2022, 14:05:55 »
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Ask for the the owner Randy. They primarily service the air craft industry but Randy has squeezed a number of us in including myself and AlexD. Mine did take a while as it depends how busy he is. Get them to him early in your project.
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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2022, 14:21:05 »
For all of the small (under 5 inches or so) parts I would suggest you go to harbor freight and buy the large shaker and supplies for cleaning part’s after you degrease them. I bought their parts cleaner as well. buy the warranty on the shaker as you may wear out a few if you overload it a bit which I did several times.

Take pictures on what you send as some parts invariably may not return. I lost a few key bolts of unusual size. Put the nuts and washers on on a wire but don’t replace lock washers as they can loose their tensil strength in the process.

For the part washer it’s best to heat the degreaser while the parts sit overnight. I used purple power from the auto parts store and for $20 got a cattle water trough heater from Tractor Supply. The nice thing is most black paint came off on the parts after sitting over night making it easier for repainting black parts.
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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2022, 15:05:52 »
For all of the small (under 5 inches or so) parts I would suggest you go to harbor freight and buy the large shaker and supplies for cleaning part’s after you degrease them. I bought their parts cleaner as well. buy the warranty on the shaker as you may wear out a few if you overload it a bit which I did several times.
I don't have a large garage, just a simple residential garage, so space for a parts cleaner will be hard to find.  It's a good idea, I've used them before so I know their value.  I'll see what can be rearranged in the floorspace.

Is this what you mean by a "shaker"?  I'm not familiar with that term.
https://www.harborfreight.com/automotive/cleaners-auto-care/cleaners-degreasers/parts-washers-cleaners/25-liter-ultrasonic-cleaner-63256.html
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Re: Under the hood (bonnet) appearance
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2022, 18:12:35 »
Check out this -  this is what I know as a skaker:

https://www.harborfreight.com/5-lb-metal-vibrator-tumbler-67617.html


Use this after you have cleaned your parts in the ultrasonic cleaner.    I haven't bought one yet but its on my list.   Yes - get the warranty.
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Re: Under the hood (bonnet) appearance
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2022, 18:55:33 »
Oh, neat!  I've heard of these things, but never bothered to look into them.  They have a larger one that optionally uses wet media.  Very interesting.
https://www.harborfreight.com/18-lb-vibratory-bowl-with-liquid-drain-hose-96923.html
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« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2022, 18:57:55 »
Start with good cleaning of parts. You maybe very surprised how nice they will look. Anything that does not clean up you can paint for now and later when you are ready the paint is easily stripped before metal finishing.  I have seen on ebay new inection lines for around $600 but if it can be done in the $400 with your original lines, that sounds like a great price .
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Re: Under the hood (boot) appearance
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2022, 19:35:21 »
Also make sure you plug your injection lines with the appropriate size metric bolt otherwise they may get plugged up in the plating process.  Clean them out when back before you install.
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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2022, 19:53:52 »
My 69 280SE 111 after lots of cleaning(oven cleaner works great on the cast aluminum), spray painting gold cad and replacing the plastic parts. Before and after photos.
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Re: Under the hood (bonnet) appearance
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2022, 00:54:27 »
Rodd,
As JohnK mentioned plugging the injection lines before plating is critical. I have a set of plugs you can borrow when the time comes.

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Re: Under the hood (bonnet) appearance
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2022, 12:41:02 »
Oh, neat!  They have a larger one that optionally uses wet media.  Very interesting.
https://www.harborfreight.com/18-lb-vibratory-bowl-with-liquid-drain-hose-96923.html

I’ve had a small industrial ultrasonic cleaner, as well as a vibratory tumbler for years. They are essential tools for cleaning. Often they are used in tandem. First some time in the water-based degreaser in the ultrasonic, and I use it hot. (Mine has a built in heater.) Then some time—usually measured in days—in the tumbler. These are perfect for degreasing, cleaning and polishing. You just have to be patient! In some cases I’ve had parts in the tumbler for a week.

When time is critical the old standbys are spray brake and or carburetor cleaners (both volatile organic solvents) along with a lot of hand work with brass or stainless brushes…followed by metal polish if needed.
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Re: Under the hood (bonnet) appearance
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2022, 05:42:24 »
Wheel lug bolts are the correct thread size to plug the injector lines.
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