Member in distress, breakdown, help needed!

[ja17]

Hello Group,
"Arjun" drove his Pagoda 230SL from New York to the Ohio Tech Session. On the way home it seems his clutch has gone out. He is at repair shop off Interstate 80 in northwestern PA. (Dubois Area). He is leaving the car for repair and return for it when finished.

Anyone who can offer any assistance in the area? He is traveling alone and is currently sorting out parts issues, and transportation back to NYC.

His car is a 5 speed standard.

Jim Villers, Micheal Eagan, Dan Caron, or Pete Lester may be able to answere some parts questions on the rare 5 speed. Hopefully the clutch  parts are the same as the standard four speeds?

I have Ashish's cell phone number but probably should not post it here. Email me if you can help.

Thanks all.

Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio

[JimVillers]

Joe .... All of the clutch is standard stuff.  The trans comes out and goes back just like the 4-speed.  Any compenant shop should be able to replace the clutch.  

Is he sure it is the clutch verses the slave cylinder or just running out of fluid?

Too bad it did not fail in Ohio .....

I will "help from a distance" if needed.  My phone is 757-481-6398.


Jim Villers
190SL, 230SL 5-Speed, 190E 2.3-16 Kompressor

[enochbell]

I am sure you will get good advice from the real mechanics on the board, but my word of caution having rebuilt the clutch on a '64 230sl: there are 3 versions of the driven plate and 2 versions of the pressure plate for the 230sl, just make sure to have the right ones supplied for the repair.  Here is a pic from the BBB:

Good luck,

g

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'64 230sl, fully sorted out...ooops, spoke too soon

[ja17]

Hello Jim,
Thanks much! I will relay the information. It sounds like the throwout bearing may have failed and chewed up the pressure plate. We will keep everyone up to date. It is nice to have good support when needed!

Thanks much.

Joe

Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio

[ja17]

Thanks Jim and "g",
This is very helpful and the information has been related to "Arjun" (Ashish). He has found a decent repair shop. His repair person and Ashish will follow this thread for any needed information.

We will keep this "lifeline" open until his Pagoda is safely home again.

Ashsish is currently on his way back to NYC and hopefully will return soon for the Pagoda.

This string will  be used by Ashish and his repair person for any needed infromation. He will keep us posted I am sure.

 No Pagodas left behind!

Thanks!!

Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio

[JimVillers]

Joe ... We don't leave 190SL's behind ether.  Here is a picture of Robby Ackerman and I replacing his clutch at a Holiday Inn parking lot in Great Bend KS when driving home from the Leadville convention.  http://www.190slgroup.com/pic_stry/2001/lead_pics/images/ks_garage.jpg

Jim Villers
190SL, 230SL 5-Speed, 190E 2.3-16 Kompressor

[Naj ✝︎]

Part #s may help:
Pressure Plate MB: 000 250 9604, Sachs:1882 217 131
Cultch Plate MB: 010 250 2603, Sachs 1861 515 336
Release Brg MB: 000 250 5115, Sachs 3151 133 331

Sachs have now rationalised the same clutch plate and pressure plate to fit all models of the Pagoda.
Unsure which release bearing goes in the 230/early 250


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Lower left brg with 2 clips came off the 280SL.
Lower right one is listed for the 230/early 250SL but it does not have the 2 small drilled holes for the 2 clips.

Would be interested to see what comes out of Arjun's car.

Anybody else have experience with these clutches?

naj

65 230SL
68 280SL

[JimVillers]

naj .... My 230SL throwout bearing had the wire clips.  As I also recall, I pressed off the bearing from a carrier to replace it.

Jim Villers
190SL, 230SL 5-Speed, 190E 2.3-16 Kompressor

[Arjun]

Thank you all for your kind help.

I made it to NY.  The car is schedule to be fixed by Friday.

I have emailed this link to Jim's Custom Repair.

Thank you again,

Arjun
67 250sl
#2210

[ja17]

Hello "Arjun",
I talked with your repair person in PA. today. I gave him my telephone number if he needs it and I will fax him some factory information on clutch installation in the morning!

Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio

[ja17]

Urgent Request!!!
Part needed for five speed! The transmission out put flange is bad on Arjun's 230SL. The splines are stripped out. Any help would be appreciated.

Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio

[113gray]

Sorry to hear Arjun had trouble, but glad for him that it seems to be a clutch problem rather than a problem w/ his 5-spd tranny. Gernold Niseus told me that parts for the 5 spd are just not available, here or in Europe & the only possible repair is a 4 speed transplant. Those remarks caused me to put synthetic ATF in my 5 spd. pronto!    -JP-

[JimVillers]

JP .... Some 5-Speed parts are available.  I replaced my front main bearing; other bearings are standard and are very accessible from any bearing shop.  I believe that Michael Eagan collected all available spares when support began to get thin.  He is the "MAN" for 5-speed problems.

I also use Mobil 1 synthetic ATF in my trans.


Jim Villers
190SL, 230SL 5-Speed, 190E 2.3-16 Kompressor

[Arjun]

Would anyone be able to help me to contact Michael Eagan?

Aashish
1967 250SL 5-Speed
New York, NY

[rwmastel]

Aashish,

If you login to the forum, this should work:
http://www.sl113.org/forums/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=1130

Rodd
Powell, Ohio, USA
1966 230SL, Euro, Auto, Leather, both  tops
1994 E420

[ja17]

Hello Aashish,
As last resort, a good machine shop could rebuild that output flange (weld up and re-spline it). It also could be made from scratch.

Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio

[Arjun]

Joe

That is exactly what was done.

Apparently the nut that holds the tail shaft and the transmission was installed incorrectly and eventually gave away.

I just got back driving the car 300 miles to NY. Its beautiful now.

Would do this all over again.

Thank you all again for your kind help

Aashish
1967 250SL 5-Speed
New York, NY

[ja17]

Hello
Aashish,
We are happy for your safe return. You were very fortunate to have found such a resourceful person.
With David Pease's arrival in California, I believe all the Pagodas have arrived home safely under their own power. Quite a feat for these vintage machines and their owners!

Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio

[A Dalton]

quote:Originally posted by Arjun

Joe

That is exactly what was done.

Apparently the nut that holds the tail shaft and the transmission was installed incorrectly and eventually gave away.

I just got back driving the car 300 miles to NY. Its beautiful now.

Would do this all over again.

Thank you all again for your kind help

Aashish
1967 250SL 5-Speed
New York, NY

 Aashish,
 Glad they were able to make the part and get you fixed...
 This is a good post to stress the importance of checking the rear flange bolt torque and lock when ever one is in there  [ like flex change-out]..
...a most important warning sign:  
If on sees that speedo starting to jump around, get right on to this check. It is not uncommon to see so many owners with this tip-off complaint and they just let it slide , thinking it is a speedo problem. On any 113 standard shift, this is a loose flange nut early warning sign.

[Arjun]

My speedometer had been jumping around for sometime.

The funny thing is that it is still jumping around albeit somewhat less.



Aashish
1967 250SL 5-Speed
New York, NY

[Raymond]

Okay, I want to learn from Aashish's experience.  I purchased the special socket for the flange nut.  Now, what is the proper torque?

Ray
'68 280SL 4-spd Coupe

[A Dalton]

150Nm -108 ft/lbs

 Which socket did you get?

[Cees Klumper]

At Aashish' request, here are two photos of the part that fell off:


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Cees ("Case") Klumper in Amsterdam
'69 white 280 SL automatic

[A Dalton]

You can see that it had been serviced by the punch marks. That will do in a pinch, but the pin wrench socket and a torque wrench are the better way to go.
 ..and a new lock ring , if possible.

[mdsalemi]

quote:Originally posted by ja17

Hello
Aashish,
We are happy for your safe return. You were very fortunate to have found such a resourceful person.
With David Pease's arrival in California, I believe all the Pagodas have arrived home safely under their own power. Quite a feat for these vintage machines and their owners!

Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio

The "bravery" of Roman Bartl--another one of our members--should not be underestimated.  Note that he was the one who arrived around noon on Sunday, after taking a red-eye from a trade show in Las Vegas, then hopping in his car and driving down to Blacklick with his business associate, Bernhard.  A summary is in order:

1) An ex-pat Austrian living in Ann Arbor, Michigan.  Stranger in a strange land??
2) Little knowledge about the 113's in general, but learning quickly
3) Little knowledge about his specific car, as he only had it for a few weeks, and didn't have any major trips with it.
4)  No tools.

Thus, this Sunday drive to Columbus and back was the "shakedown cruise". I accompanied them back on Sunday night--good thing, too.  At our first stop not an hour out of Columbus, I noticed a large amount of smoke coming from his engine compartment.  We popped the bonnet and I discovered about 3 oil leaks, and it was the oil smoking.  Tach cable fitting, valve cover, and at least one other place.  We checked the oil, and alas, it didn't register any.  We went a few miles to a gas station, got a quart, and this got him all the way home.  A trip to Motorwerks last week, and they found and fixed a few leaks, cleaned the engine, and added a dye to the oil to track down some more after 500 miles.  It's an ongoing project.

But he did make it home under his own power.

Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored