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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2025, 06:33:17 »
Ring gear is easily removed with a dull chisel. Keep hitting on the ring until it starts to slide off of the flywheel. Place the new ring gear on the flywheel after heating with a torch and it should pretty much drop into place. Once it cools it will be more than tight enough.

For this job do I need to remove the flywheel from the crankshaft? I guess yes
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2025, 06:40:19 »
Is it because the extra clearance can be taken up at the ball studs?

Could be but as any other system you can compensate as well
My question is now how much would be the good clearance… my pro do not answered yet… if I could measure with a gauge the journey of the valve and compare it with original spec it could be the solution. But as it is engineered I think I can’t
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2025, 07:08:00 »
Thank you. The best is for me to see directly with the pro who might send me a new flywheel while I would send him back the damaged part. Once again I would like to understand how all this could happen ?

If you think about it, the flywheel is sitting there, minding its own business, and it's suddenly assaulted by the starter gear, flying out of nowhere, it's bound to get a bit bruised and beaten over the years.  Added to that, if it's true that the engine always comes to rest in one of a few positions (i don't know if that's true, but sounds reasonable), then the same few teeth on the gear ring will be subject to the wear and tear.  Added to that there is no lubrication, like with most meshed gears.  Perhaps your starter wasn't making good contact with the gear ring before you refurbished it, good video by the way, and perhaps that caused more damage to some of the teeth.

I think the gear ring is made to be sacrificial, a bit like the iron rim on a cartwheel, hence why it can be replaced, not bad if its lasted over 50 years!

Just make sure the starter makes good contact with the new gear ring when you assemble it again

So glad it wasn't too much of a problem for you!
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #55 on: April 21, 2025, 09:56:46 »
Countdown to lift off…😁
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #56 on: April 21, 2025, 11:39:44 »
I like the Trabant thing.
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #57 on: April 21, 2025, 12:01:26 »
I like the Trabant thing.

A souvenir from my hungarian period when I lived in Budapest. Such a car would cost 150€ complete… they were useless because they couldn’t pass the pollution test and couldn’t be driven anymore…
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #58 on: April 21, 2025, 12:16:11 »
Tell me about it... my father owned two of them.

Ok, not to ruin your thread, sorry.
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #59 on: April 21, 2025, 13:36:38 »
Nothing too much
When I lived there we could ask any kind of decoration… as a symbol of an era I decided to ask to get a front to remember those days in my garage…

By the way… perfect landing

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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #60 on: April 21, 2025, 17:25:23 »
Rocker arms back. Clearance given by my pro: intake 0.15 mm exhaust 0.20mm which is now set up even if it’s not totally logical to put + 0.02 for the exhaust and +0.07 for the intake…

Saw also the gear… definitely it has lived because there is at least one more damage done previously… a cheap savings my pro did…

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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #61 on: Today at 04:57:05 »
Before I remove the flywheel I wanted to test my starter and see if I can activate the rotation of the engine and let the oil pressure rise up

https://youtu.be/SDMJsD6YD3o?si=XqcFypwCF1eBC13v

As you can tell the pressure is ok at least drops of fresh oil fall on the rocket arms I guess the oil circuit is about to be fully under pressure

But you can also hear a bad repeating noise…
To make sure it was about my damaged flywheel and the interaction with the starter I made a slow motion video and marked the 2 damaged gear with red line on a tape located just in front of them. I got immediately the answer…

https://youtu.be/zegj6UV4rvQ?si=H8r7YPl343zk3R2J
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #62 on: Today at 14:23:52 »
FIGOULU:
  Loving this serpentine journey you are on , and your documentation and pics….both entertaining and informative.  ( I thin you are in the final chapter now?)