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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2025, 06:33:17 »
Ring gear is easily removed with a dull chisel. Keep hitting on the ring until it starts to slide off of the flywheel. Place the new ring gear on the flywheel after heating with a torch and it should pretty much drop into place. Once it cools it will be more than tight enough.

For this job do I need to remove the flywheel from the crankshaft? I guess yes
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2025, 06:40:19 »
Is it because the extra clearance can be taken up at the ball studs?

Could be but as any other system you can compensate as well
My question is now how much would be the good clearance… my pro do not answered yet… if I could measure with a gauge the journey of the valve and compare it with original spec it could be the solution. But as it is engineered I think I can’t
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2025, 07:08:00 »
Thank you. The best is for me to see directly with the pro who might send me a new flywheel while I would send him back the damaged part. Once again I would like to understand how all this could happen ?

If you think about it, the flywheel is sitting there, minding its own business, and it's suddenly assaulted by the starter gear, flying out of nowhere, it's bound to get a bit bruised and beaten over the years.  Added to that, if it's true that the engine always comes to rest in one of a few positions (i don't know if that's true, but sounds reasonable), then the same few teeth on the gear ring will be subject to the wear and tear.  Added to that there is no lubrication, like with most meshed gears.  Perhaps your starter wasn't making good contact with the gear ring before you refurbished it, good video by the way, and perhaps that caused more damage to some of the teeth.

I think the gear ring is made to be sacrificial, a bit like the iron rim on a cartwheel, hence why it can be replaced, not bad if its lasted over 50 years!

Just make sure the starter makes good contact with the new gear ring when you assemble it again

So glad it wasn't too much of a problem for you!
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #55 on: April 21, 2025, 09:56:46 »
Countdown to lift off…😁
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #56 on: April 21, 2025, 11:39:44 »
I like the Trabant thing.
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #57 on: April 21, 2025, 12:01:26 »
I like the Trabant thing.

A souvenir from my hungarian period when I lived in Budapest. Such a car would cost 150€ complete… they were useless because they couldn’t pass the pollution test and couldn’t be driven anymore…
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #58 on: April 21, 2025, 12:16:11 »
Tell me about it... my father owned two of them.

Ok, not to ruin your thread, sorry.
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #59 on: April 21, 2025, 13:36:38 »
Nothing too much
When I lived there we could ask any kind of decoration… as a symbol of an era I decided to ask to get a front to remember those days in my garage…

By the way… perfect landing

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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #60 on: April 21, 2025, 17:25:23 »
Rocker arms back. Clearance given by my pro: intake 0.15 mm exhaust 0.20mm which is now set up even if it’s not totally logical to put + 0.02 for the exhaust and +0.07 for the intake…

Saw also the gear… definitely it has lived because there is at least one more damage done previously… a cheap savings my pro did…

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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2025, 04:57:05 »
Before I remove the flywheel I wanted to test my starter and see if I can activate the rotation of the engine and let the oil pressure rise up

https://youtu.be/SDMJsD6YD3o?si=XqcFypwCF1eBC13v

As you can tell the pressure is ok at least drops of fresh oil falls on the rocket arms I guess the oil circuit is about to be fully under pressure

But you can also hear a bad repeating noise…
To make sure it was about my damaged flywheel and the interaction with the starter I made a slow motion video and marked the 2 damaged gear with red line on a tape located just in front of them. I got immediately the answer…

https://youtu.be/zegj6UV4rvQ?si=H8r7YPl343zk3R2J
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2025, 14:23:52 »
FIGOULU:
  Loving this serpentine journey you are on , and your documentation and pics….both entertaining and informative.  ( I thin you are in the final chapter now?)

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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #63 on: April 24, 2025, 07:49:55 »
FIGOULU:
  Loving this serpentine journey you are on , and your documentation and pics….both entertaining and informative.  ( I thin you are in the final chapter now?)

I try to make it live and tell a story from A to Z to make sense and interest... So frustrated to see posts without the final solution

So... Yes, the parcel has been sent yesterday to my pro who is in Germany.
With all those events I wanted to make it to the safe side and bought a new starter just in case mine was not 100% reliable and could possibly be part of the trouble.
Apart from that I have ordered couples of very last missing parts / or to be replaced to be able to get back very soon with a running engine.

I dont but the pressure on myself and gave me a 3 weeks time to get back the flywheel from my pro with a new gear and the last missing parts.
I'll give you the next episode for sure untill this engine runs and the car drives !

Thanks for your interest
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #64 on: April 24, 2025, 14:25:20 »
Rocker arms back. Clearance given by my pro: intake 0.15 mm exhaust 0.20mm which is now set up even if it’s not totally logical to put + 0.02 for the exhaust and +0.07 for the intake…

Saw also the gear… definitely it has lived because there is at least one more damage done previously… a cheap savings my pro did…

.003 intake and .007 for exhaust.
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #65 on: April 24, 2025, 16:24:28 »
.003 intake and .007 for exhaust.

Yes those are the original value for the valve clearances but provided that the head has been machined I guess we cannot stand with the original values and possibly run the risk that piston and valve get married against theit own will  :o
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #66 on: April 24, 2025, 17:13:36 »
Not likely but this how you check:

turn your crankshaft over to 5 degrees ATDC on number one cylinder. Pry the intake rocker down until you feel it hit the top of the piston.  If you have a dial indicator you can use that to check liner movement or you can see if a .040 feeler gauge will will slide in between the rocker arm and the cam lobe. If it will easily slide into place you should be good to go. If the gauge is too tight try a thinner combination until you find a size that fits. Less than .035 and you may run into trouble.
Only the intake valve can hit the piston during normal operation. Intake valves are supposed to be set to .050 mm recession which is the amount the valve face sits below the parting surface of the cylinder head. If you have  your valves sitting at parting surface level this is the real problem.

.002 for your exhaust is far too tight and you can risk burning out the valve.
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2025, 04:46:39 »
Yes, go with the original specs as Dan suggests. The factory allows for the machining of engine parts within specs and it should not effect the valve adjustment.
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Re: big mistake... [updated: no 😇]
« Reply #68 on: April 25, 2025, 07:54:19 »
Thanks all for those important info
I will check that as the engine is still outside and for some days / weeks again 👍👍👍
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