Author Topic: What's the Correct Tool Roll for a '68 250SL? (Read 22210 times)

JPMOSE · « **on:** January 11, 2006, 14:18:35 »

My first question to this site (I am sure one of hundreds to follow!): What is the correct tool roll for a 1968 250SL? If someone has photos that would be great. I have seen so many different types and don't want to purchase the wrong one. This is the one item missing from my car. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for your time.

Best Regards,

J. P. Mose
1968 250SL

Douglas · « **Reply #1 on:** January 11, 2006, 15:45:29 »

Here's a good thread on that (with pix) from awhile back:

http://index.php?topic=22

rwmastel · « **Reply #2 on:** January 11, 2006, 15:58:13 »

Douglas,
That's a good couple of pictures in that thread.

J.P.,
More discussion threads with good info can be found using the Search tool. The link is in the top right corner of this screen. For example:
http://index.php?topic=1125,kit

Rodd
Powell, Ohio, USA
1966 230SL, Euro, Auto, Leather, both tops
1994 E420

JPMOSE · « **Reply #3 on:** January 11, 2006, 16:13:16 »

Thanks for the help so far.

Actually, I did see these postings and used the search function. However, it appears that the 280SL is most referenced. Were the 230SL and 250SL tool rolls the same? I thought I read somewhere that the a vinyl tool roll preceeded the cloth. Hence, I started bidding on the following:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8028723604

Then I plugged my brain in and thought I better ask before making an expensive mistake!

I have searched further and couldn't find any reference to the vinyl versus cloth change.

Thanks again for your help!

Best Regards,

J. P. Mose
1968 250SL

Jonny B · « **Reply #4 on:** January 12, 2006, 06:30:33 »

I too shall be interested to hear more about this. I was under the impression that the early cars tool kits were in vinyl, with the snaps and the slots for the lug wrench to fit through. I have an early 250SL and have the vinyl bag.

Jonny B
1967 250SL Auto

KevinC · « **Reply #5 on:** January 12, 2006, 19:01:17 »

I have a cloth bag in my late 230 sl. I believe its correct for the car

Kevin Caputo
Boca Raton, FL
1967 230 SL Automatic
670 Light Ivory
113 Bronze/Brown MB Tex

113gray · « **Reply #6 on:** January 13, 2006, 08:59:36 »

More solid info on this topic of tool kits is beginning to emerge. Are these points now reasonably well established? 1) Early kits were vinyl, later cloth; 2) Tools present in each were similar w/ fuse pullers, wheel centering/installation posts, & detachable hard & soft top handles all in late kits only; 3) The rare accessory lubrication kit w/ air pressure gauge etc. was a separate kit, not included as standard equipment but available from the dealer during the 60's & 70's. Not yet clear to me is when the switch from early to late kits occured & this may be unknowable, given MB's record of variation in what was supplied & when. Anyone care to correct the above or add to it? -JP-

Douglas · « **Reply #7 on:** January 13, 2006, 10:41:58 »

I've always been under the impression that both cloth and Tex were seen in the later years. They are, after all, just made from scraps of material found elsewhere on the car.

Jonny B · « **Reply #8 on:** January 13, 2006, 11:41:49 »

Just throw more confusion. I do not believe the fuse pullers were standard (there are two types as Bob Geco pointed out in one of the tool kit posts). The chrome air pressure gauge is a stand alone accessory, I do not think it was part of the auxillary/lubrication tool kit. The hard/soft top handles were in a separate pouch, not part of the tool kit (meant to be in the glove box). And it is probably true that the switch or change (if there was one as Douglas points out) is probably not knowable.

And to throw a bit of perspective on this. For MBCA concours judging the tool kit is judged with the first aid kit and represents a total of 2 points. So if it is the right style, with the snaps and the provision for the lug wrench, you are most likely never going to be challenged for authenticity.

Let the rocks be thrown! At me, not the car.

Jonny B
1967 250SL Auto

Douglas · « **Reply #9 on:** January 13, 2006, 11:55:33 »

I see no reason to throw stones & agree with Jonny's observations. :-)

(BTW, I think the Mesko tire pressure gauge pre-dates our cars.)

hands_aus · « **Reply #10 on:** January 14, 2006, 05:39:59 »

In the 250sl model the livery changed at VIN 2979 from the 230sl look to the later 250sl and 280sl look.

Is it possible that if there was an 'early' Tool Kit bag and a 'late' Tool Kit bag that the change would have occurred at the same time?

Bob Smith (Brisbane,Australia)
RHD,1967 early 250 SL, auto

ja17 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 14, 2006, 06:38:05 »

Hello,
Some more information. The optional lubrication tool kit did come with the chrome Mercedes tire pressure gauge. The lubrication kit the gauge pictured it is also listed in its table of contents. The tire gauge was probably available at the time separately also. Only some of the tool kits (probably 280/SL only?) had the fuse pullers. The vinyl tool pouch was used on higher end models like the SLs, 6.3's, cabriolets, 300SLs (not on the 190Sl or 450SL). They varied on the color and type of materials Mercedes materials and colors used. The two snaps are characteristic of these higher end kits, while the other more common kits had tie strings.

I can't really tell you for sure that the early 230SLs had the vinyl tool pouch or the cloth. I would guess vinyl.

Go to your owner's parts books and dealer parts books for more pieces of the puzzle. Parts of the tool kits are shown and listed in the description. If anyone has a 230SL owners parts book of dealer parts book "edition A" this would answere the question on vinyl or cloth.

I can photograph and post a picture of my original optional lube kit if anyone is interested. Also I know some attendees of the Blacklick Tech Session took pictures of Bob Fellow's orig. tool kit. (blue 280SL)a photo here may help also.

A lot of the individual tools in the common sedan tool kits of the era were the same in the W113 tool kits. The Unique items were the vinyl pouch (tool roll), the long handled pliers, the plastic fuse puller. I believe the top handles were in their own pouch and in the glove box when the cars were delivered?

The special wheel centering tool was found mounted to the rear trunk panel in most sedans of the era.

Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio

JPMOSE · « **Reply #12 on:** January 15, 2006, 07:23:46 »

Thanks for all the help. I ended up with the Tool Roll on Ebay that I listed on this post.

My 250SL serial number is 3010 so it is right after the switch to '68 designation. Now all I need to do is find the original plastic fuse kit to go with it. These also show up on Ebay from time to time.

Best Regards,

J. P. Mose
1968 250SL

Jonny B · « **Reply #13 on:** January 15, 2006, 09:34:11 »

If you are refering to the small plastic box for the fuses, this is available from Samstag tools. They do not have the short 25 A fuses, but the box is as original with the Star logo.

If refering to the fuse pullers, these do show up on ebay, but be prepared for a relatively steep price, they are rare indeed.
Good luck!

BTW, I did check my parts manual, which is a reprint of the 250-280SL big parts book, so it reflects the most recent updates. In any case, all it calls out is for a tool roll, no mention of cloth or vinyl, but it does show the picture as Joe points out, with the snaps, not the tie offs.

Jonny B
1967 250SL Auto

Jonny B · « **Reply #14 on:** January 15, 2006, 16:09:05 »

FYI, here is a link to Samstag for the long handled pliers (water pump pliers) with the MB logo
http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes/mb0005810238.jpg
for a resonable price of USD 34 plus the usual shipping etc.

Jonny B
1967 250SL Auto

Douglas · « **Reply #15 on:** January 15, 2006, 16:44:22 »

While we're into the nitty-gritty, we should also note that the cloth toolkit and the Tex toolkitsfor 280SLs had the same basic reinforced shape. They should not be confused with the cloth toolkits seen on lower-end sedans and often marketed as 280 SL toolkits on ebay to the unsuspecting. The kit for the SL closes with snaps and is not held together by tying anything.

Jonny B · « **Reply #16 on:** January 15, 2006, 19:28:13 »

Here is a tool kit on Ebay that is not correct for a 113, but does show the early style fuse puller pliers. These are specifically stated as NOT being a part of the auction. If someone is interested, it may be worth an email to the seller.

Item Number 8030732324.

Jonny B
1967 250SL Auto

TheEngineer · « **Reply #17 on:** January 16, 2006, 18:22:04 »

Here is a pic of the fuse puller, the later edition without the little plastic springy arms.

JPMOSE · « **Reply #18 on:** January 17, 2006, 06:40:07 »

When did the fuse pullers transition from early to late?

Best Regards,

J. P. Mose
1968 250SL

113gray · « **Reply #19 on:** January 17, 2006, 09:09:32 »

Boy, lots of nice additional tool kit info! Regarding the Samstag long handle "water pump" pliers, at 9 1/2" they seem too long for the tool kit. I'm almost sure I've seen shorter ones, perhaps at Joe's in Blacklick. Can anyone provide measurements? Also, regarding the tire mounting post/centering pin (110 581 02 74), Samstag lists 2, I think a 12mm & a 14mm. Which is correct? Regards, -JP-

TheEngineer · « **Reply #20 on:** January 17, 2006, 11:49:20 »

My water pump pliers are 7¾ long. The tire mounting stud has a 12 m/m thread. Mine's aluminum (aluminium for you German freaks)and that's a poor choice for material. They scratch up. Get yourself a 12 m/m steel bolt, about three inches long and cut the head off. Pick one with a short thread. The thread does not need to be any longer than 1/2 inch.If it is too long, the wheel hangs up on the ridges of the thread. Ideally, you want to screw the stud in until all of the tread is burried. And: PJMOSE: I don't know when the fuse pullers changed. I found mine at a junk yard. It's not a tool that one needs: You can remove any fuse using your fingers or tweezers. I wouldn't have paid money for this tool, at least not much.

'69 280SL,Signal Red,113044-12-007537,tired engineer, West-Seattle,WA

rwmastel · « **Reply #21 on:** January 17, 2006, 18:34:54 »

quote:
Originally posted by theengineer

The tire mounting stud has a 12 m/m thread... ...Ideally, you want to screw the stud in until all of the tread is burried.

Peter,
You know, I don't think anyone's ever said how to use the centering tool, or mounting stud as you call it. (I'm sure it's in the owner's manual!) I could never see how it helps because it was just as easy to sick the lug bolt in as the centering tool. I never thought to put the tool on the wheel hub first! From all us who read the forums but don't work on our cars enough, thanks for the info.

Rodd
Powell, Ohio, USA
1966 230SL, Euro, Auto, Leather, both tops
1994 E420

Jonny B · « **Reply #22 on:** January 18, 2006, 07:29:07 »

I ordered one of the pliers from SamStag, and it fits just right in the far left pocket, looking at the tool roll -opened, pocket side up. I have also purchased a second set of tools, with the long handled pliers and they are the same as the ones from SamStag.

Excellent question about the change on the fuse pliers. I understand the early pliers are more fragile, so they might have been changed earlier on in the life of the overall MB tool kits, and not something tied to a particular 113 change.

Jonny B
1967 250SL Auto

ja17 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 18, 2006, 21:11:54 »

Hello,

Here is a pic of the other original plastic fuse puller, centering tool and fuse box with orig fuses.

Rodd, the centering tool is installed on the hub then the wheel is slid over it and held in place while the lug bolts are started. Later Mercedes cars had a tool like this made out of aluminum and a bit longer for the alloy wheels.

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Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio

Naj ✝︎ · « **Reply #24 on:** January 27, 2006, 05:41:41 »

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naj

65 230SL
68 280SL

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