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Mark in KS

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High Temperatures and Oil Pressure
« on: July 07, 2003, 13:43:37 »
I like to drive my '67 230SL fast (don't we all)? Lately, on the interstate, 80 mph is pretty common. When I drive it in the Kansas summer heat (93 degrees today), I can watch the water temperature go above 185 F and move into the 200+ range. I note that the redline on temperature is somewhere around 240 F. I don't have anyone local to compare with, so I ask for input. Is this normal? Since my 80 MPH crusing is for short periods of time (15-20 minutes), the temperature drops back down pretty quickly when the rpm goes down. Does the radiator need flushing? Is the water pump working efficiently?

Now for part two. After the temperature is elevated from high speeds, I can come to an idle and watch the oil pressure drop from 45 psi (needle pegged), down to 30 psi. A little rev on the gas will make it go back to maximum pressure, but it gives me the impression that some internals are expanded (from the heat) to the point that there is a loss of pressure. Is this a sign of something major about to need work? Should I not push my baby too hard? I changed the oil to Valvoline 20w-50w, to make it handle the summer temperatures better.

The engine has 93,000 miles on it. Records show no significant repairs (like rings or valves, etc.).

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Re: High Temperatures and Oil Pressure
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2003, 16:22:39 »
HellO Mark,
It is normal for the oil pressure to drop a little as the engine temperatures increase. The readings you are getting seem normal for the age and mileage on the car. Always look out for a noticable deterioration in oil pressure over a period of time. Also an oil pressure gauge which shows a drop in oil pressure before rising when accelerating can also be a sign of internal engine damage.
Oil temperature can vary radically from engine coolant termperature. High rpms will heat up the oil more than normal. Mercedes designed these engines to operate for extended periods at maximum rpms. As long as the engine is healthy, it should not harm a thing. Healthy engines which are exercised usually will last the longer than pampered clogged and fouled engines.  
One benefit from elevated oil temperatures is that it burns off moistue and fuel contamination in the oil.
As far as your coolant temperature; try turning the heater on full blast during one of your highway sprints. If the engine temperature noticably drops then your radiator may need a little work.



Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
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Blacklick, Ohio
1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
1965 220SE Finback

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Re: High Temperatures and Oil Pressure
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2003, 02:19:41 »
Joe,
Should fitting an oil cooler be considered if the the car is used regularly in this manner?
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Re: High Temperatures and Oil Pressure
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2003, 18:06:57 »
Hello Naj,
Consider these same cars were delivered in the very hot sub-tropical Florida climate (some equiped with AC)and also in the cool temperate climate of Canada. They seemed to be designed to survive either extreme without having the oil cooler a standard item until the later W113 cars. The hot weather season in Kansas City is fairly short compared to Florida. In addition the engine oils produced today are far superior to the standard lubricants forty years ago. On the other hand the cooling system in a forty year old car is probably not 100% anymore. Also if you demand more from your vehicle than the typical owner, the optional oil cooler certainly could be worthwhile.



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Joe,
Should fitting an oil cooler be considered if the the car is used regularly in this manner?
naj

naj
'Kloines Scheisserle'
65 230SL
68 280SL



Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
1965 220SE Finback

athadani

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Re: High Temperatures and Oil Pressure
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2003, 14:48:30 »
Following JA's advice, I made the following cahnges:

New Thermostat 75 degrees
New Visco coupler
This did not stop overheating

Had a complete revision of the radiator with new bee hive inside.
Now in hot weather its much better with the needle stopping at just over 190 degrees and the ventilator going at full blast. But its an old car and this is part of the adventure athough I would have liked it to act like my recent car where the temp is always steady at 180 (Euro 85)

Did not notice any differnce in oil pressure at any time.

Best is to review the radiator.

Thanks for all the input and help Joe.

Ashok
1970 US 280SL Autom