Author Topic: More Fraud!! (Read 29056 times)

terry shores · « **on:** December 14, 2006, 21:22:38 »

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-280sl-w113-Mercedes-Benz-1971-280-SL-Showroom-condition-Low-reserv_W0QQitemZ230065774897QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6338QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I happened to be looking at ebay Mercedes 280 sl's and found this one. MUCH TO MY SURPRISE, 3/4 OF THE PICTURES ARE OF MY CAR??? THAT I TOOK!!! NOW THEY ARE ON EBAY. Go figure!! Obviously someone is running a typical ebay scam. Selling a car that they don't possess!!Just want your money!! NEVER, NEVER BUY A CAR ON EBAY WITHOUT A FULL INSPECTION!!

J. Huber · « **Reply #1 on:** December 14, 2006, 23:19:47 »

Wow. That really takes the cake. It doesn't take Einstein to see that the photos are from two different cars. But I sure like looking at yours, Terry! Thanks for the heads up.

James
63 230SL

al_lieffring · « **Reply #2 on:** December 14, 2006, 23:29:42 »

You should go to the "ask seller a question" link and ask why there are two different cars in the photos.
It will show up whether the seller wants it there or not,

66 230sl
113-042-10-014715
904/396 blue, Ivory Tex
condition: not-as-rusty-as-before-bucket

mdsalemi · « **Reply #3 on:** December 15, 2006, 07:08:38 »

Hello Everyone,

My guess is you don't see these eBay "scams" for Triumph TR6's, MG Midgets, Fiat Spyders, etc. The scam artists have latched onto the popularity of the W113, and they know it--which is why these things keep popping up. Because of the popularity of our cars, many want to see high prices--to see the value of their own car increase, but also are looking for the proverbial "great deal" which hardly exists except in scam form!

Well, Terry has hit the nail on the head: NEVER, NEVER BUY A CAR ON EBAY WITHOUT A FULL INSPECTION!!

Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored

JPMOSE · « **Reply #4 on:** December 15, 2006, 10:34:24 »

I funded my 250SL and 560SL purchases from selling a lot of high end vintage photography equipment. Over the past year, I have caught many scammers using my photos and have enjoyed nailing them. Sometimes, I will post a duplicate ad to theirs and ask $1M. I would then point out the other listing as phoney. I received a few death threats from scammers for trying to slander them. Most were from Eastern Europe. I also received many e-mails, thanking me for outing the scammers! It cost me a few bucks per listing, but I have so much fun with it! Plus, I saved many people from being taken.

Terry...I would nail that SOB for using my photos! By the way, nice firewall pad! Did you restore it or get one of Tom's?

Best Regards,

J. P. Mose
1968 250SL
1987 560SL

terry shores · « **Reply #5 on:** December 15, 2006, 11:28:30 »

"nice firewall pad! Did you restore it or get one of Tom's"

IT IS THE ORIGINAL FIREWALL PAD!!

terry shores · « **Reply #6 on:** December 15, 2006, 11:35:26 »

"You should go to the "ask seller a question" link and ask why there are two different cars in the photos.
It will show up whether the seller wants it there or not,"

WRONG!!! EVERY SINGLE LINK ON THE EBAY (SCAM) LISTING GOES DIRECTLY TO THE SCAMMER!! IF YOU TRY TO REPORT THE FRAUD, IF YOU ASK THE SELLER A QUESTION ETC. ETC. THE SCAMMER KNOWS!!! IN MY OPINION, EBAY HAS DEGRADED BECAUSE OF FRAUD TO A SITUATION WHERE IT IS LIKE THE WANT ADS IN A NEWSPAPER. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. I THINK EASILY 10% OF ALL THE LISTINGS FOR CARS ARE BOGUS!!

peterm · « **Reply #7 on:** December 15, 2006, 12:24:04 »

I think he has an old rusted dirty signal red 113 , ctured in the first pic and if you look at the engine bay pics one has half a fireall pad and interstate battery), I'm sure the interior shots and trunk etc show much better on your car! Someone will buy this and get a rusty dirty tired 113, thinking its in concours shape

Douglas · « **Reply #8 on:** December 15, 2006, 13:09:51 »

quote:
Originally posted by peterm

I think he has an old rusted dirty signal red 113 , ctured in the first pic....

My first thought was that we don't know if the seller even owns a 280 SL at all, but I've got to think you're correct, Peter. If there were no car at all, why even bother showing the tired SL in some pix? Why not just show the nice one?

This is one of the oddest scams I've seen on ebay. It's like a half-baked bait-and-switch.

Douglas Kim
New York
USA

J. Huber · « **Reply #9 on:** December 15, 2006, 13:25:09 »

I guess all we can hope is the bidders will get wind of our discussion before its too late. The seller could always claim he was just showing what the car could look like with some major TLC...

James
63 230SL

peterm · « **Reply #10 on:** December 15, 2006, 14:40:33 »

I emailed the seller about the picture issue here's the response

Response from doit4loveauto
doit4loveauto( 41)
Positive feedback: 93.6%
Member since: Apr-14-05
Location: CA, United States
Registered on: www.ebay.com

Item: Mercedes-Benz : SL-Class (230065774897)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
doit4loveauto is the seller.

I am selling the bad picture one. Thanks

enochbell · « **Reply #11 on:** December 16, 2006, 06:14:07 »

Terry,

I reported this to Ebay fraud (there is a link at the bottom of the listing that allows you do report suspected fraud). I expect it will get pulled today?

Thanks,

g

'64 230sl, fully sorted out...ooops, spoke too soon

hands_aus · « **Reply #12 on:** December 16, 2006, 19:32:59 »

eBay will not accept responsibility for this type of listing. They say it is the buyers' responsibility to check the seller out.

When I was scammed for AUD $1500.00 while trying to buy a soft top frame, I checked every link for security, insurance etc on the eBay site. They all went to the correct eBay site.
How can you rely on the veracity of the information if all the links can be diverted to the shonky seller?
It seems to me that eBay website software is too easily copied.

Bob Smith (Brisbane,Australia)
RHD,1967 early 250 SL, auto

ChrisInNashville · « **Reply #13 on:** December 16, 2006, 19:45:10 »

This is truly ironic that Terry stumbled onto this.

However, I would say that ebay does more for our passion than harm by stimulating demand. But...with all things in life - let the buyer beware!

I had a good experience finding my w113 on ebay. However, I used ebay like a catalog, engaged an inspector and then got in the car to drive 200 miles to see it. I had negotiated a price on the phone, but reduced the final price 20% upon inspection. I drove it home that day in 90 degree heat with no air conditioning!

Overall, I liked my experience and would do it again.

Abbas · « **Reply #14 on:** December 16, 2006, 22:50:56 »

I bought two cars over eBay and got them shiped to Dubai. But all done with a friend of mine living in the US. I would check the car over the Internet talk to the owner and then ask my friend to see the car and inspect it and make sure that all ownership documents are proper. I would even send the money to my friend to pay the owner - never transfer the money directly to the buyer.

Abbas

280SL W113 1969 Ivory
E280 W124 1995 Silver

terry shores · « **Reply #15 on:** December 17, 2006, 12:07:46 »

On ebay, a question showed up on the car page. TOTAL LIE!! THE SCAM CONTINUES!

Question & Answer Answered On

" Q: I noticed that the picures dont match the first one; is that a before restoration shot? thanks Mark
Dec-16-06
A: yes maek that was a picture of the car befor that I thought looked good as well thanks"

enochbell · « **Reply #16 on:** December 19, 2006, 16:24:08 »

Terry,

Looks like your car is fetching a nice price, too bad the new owner will never see it. Despite having reported this the scam goes on. I really feel badly for the high bidder.

g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-280sl-w113-Mercedes-Benz-1971-280-SL-Showroom-condition-Low-reserv_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6338QQihZ013QQitemZ230065774897QQrdZ1

'64 230sl, fully sorted out...ooops, spoke too soon

Douglas · « **Reply #17 on:** December 19, 2006, 16:36:53 »

Chances are pretty good the vehicle will still be available after the auction, so I wouldn't feel too bad for the high bidder. It's probably the seller's alter ego.

Douglas Kim
New York
USA

terry shores · « **Reply #18 on:** December 19, 2006, 20:52:26 »

Finally, EBAY cancelled the listing!!! Somebody saved alot of money!!!

jstuart · « **Reply #19 on:** December 19, 2006, 21:16:45 »

I asked the seller some questions a few days ago...as far as I know he never did respond although I recieved this from ebay today regarding the auction:

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Dear redsub0 (jay.stuart@comcast.net):

Our records indicate that you recently sent an email to or received an email from doit4loveauto through the eBay email system (for example, you may have sent an email to this member through Ask Seller a Question or received an email from this member through Contact eBay Member).

Sometimes eBay accounts are used to send email solicitations for transactions outside of eBay, or to send unrelated questions in hopes that you will respond so that the other party can obtain your email address. We wanted you to be aware of the potential fraud risk these solicitations pose and encourage you to be cautious about the email you received from this member.

Please keep in mind, sales that take place outside of eBay are not eligible for any eBay or PayPal protective services and you run the risk of losing your money or your item if you complete these transactions. We would encourage you to review the eBay pages related to Fraud Protection at the address provided below for information on steps you can take to ensure that your transactions are successful:

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1969 280SL

mdsalemi · « **Reply #20 on:** December 20, 2006, 08:18:36 »

Ladies and Gentlemen,

You may have noticed that this listing is removed. I did this. I logged onto "my eBay" (I usually sell my daughter's cast off toys etc.); and reported the item to eBay Safe Harbor Department. In this way the communication went to them and not to the seller.

When we uncover these frauds, this is the way to do it. Don't try and report it when you have the listing on display; do it from "my eBay" if you are a registered user, if not have someone else who is a registered user do it. I did this last night after reading Terry's post again.

So, the system does work, you just have to know how to use it!

Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored

mdsalemi · « **Reply #21 on:** December 20, 2006, 08:19:09 »

Ladies and Gentlemen,

You may have noticed that this listing is removed. I did this. I logged onto "my eBay" (I usually sell my daughter's cast off toys etc.); and reported the item to eBay Safe Harbor Department. In this way the communication went to them and not to the seller.

When we uncover these frauds, this is the way to do it. Don't try and report it when you have the listing on display; do it from "my eBay" if you are a registered user, if not have someone else who is a registered user do it. I did this last night after reading Terry's post again.

So, the system does work, you just have to know how to use it!

Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored

Nate · « **Reply #22 on:** December 20, 2006, 22:41:24 »

They relisted the car on ebay. Here's the link and his number:

phone 1-(818)-325-7128, just ask for R.K.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-1971-280-SL-Showroom-condition-NO-reserv_W0QQitemZ230068820648QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6338QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

mdsalemi · « **Reply #23 on:** December 21, 2006, 08:55:35 »

...and once again reported as fraud at 09:53 EST 12.21.06 Let's see how long it takes to delist.

Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored

Douglas · « **Reply #24 on:** December 21, 2006, 15:20:07 »

I couldn't help myself.... I sent the following e-mail to the seller:

Hello,
I am a car and bike dealer based in Huddersfield. I saw your advert placement on the internet and I am interested in buying your 1971 Mercedes-Benz 280 SL. Please forward me your final asking price only. My shipping agent will handle the shipping and pick-up. Also indicate if you will accept a cashier check drawn from a US bank for payment. i anticipate your early reply.

Thanks,
MARK

Got the following reply within a few minutes:

"29k yes cashier cheek from us bank is fine thank you"

Douglas Kim
New York
USA

News:

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