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bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« on: July 23, 2007, 19:56:05 »
thought this might help someone

Cross reference Bosch W5A - Y6DC to NGK
This table shows the most common Bosch/NGK equivalents. (Page 2 of 2)  

Bosch NGK
W5A B7HS
W5AC B7HS
W5AP B7HS
W5AS B7HV
W5B BP7HS
W5BC BP7HS
W5BP BP7HS
W5C B7ES
W5CC B7ES
W5CCX B7ES-11
W5CP B7ES
W5CPX B7ES-11
W5CS B7EV
W5D BP7ES
W5D1 BP7ES
W5DC BP7ES
W5DCO BP7ES
W5DCX BP7ES-11
W5DP BP7ES
W5DPO BP7ET
W5DPX BP7ES-11
W5DTC BP6ET
W5E B7S
W5EC B7S
W5EP B7S
W6AS B6HV
W6B BP6H
W6BC BP6HS
W6BP BP6HS
W6D BP6ES
W6D1 BP6ES
W6DC BP6ES
W6DCO BP6ES
W6DCX BP6ES-11
W6DP BP6ES
W6DPX BP6ES-11
W6DTC BP6ET
W7A B6HS
W7AC B6HS
W7AO B6HS
W7AP B6HS
W7B BP6HS
W7BC BP6HS
W7BP BP6HS
W7C B6ES
W7CC B6ES
W7CCO B6ES
W7CCX B6ES-11
W7CP B6ES
W7CPX B6ES-11
W7CX B6ES-11
W7D BP6ES
W7DC BP6ES
W7DCO BP6ES
W7DCR BPR6ES
W7DCX BP6ES-11
W7DO BP6ES
W7DP BP6ES
W7DPX BP6ES-11
W7DTC BP6ET
W7DX BP6ES-11
W7E B6S
W7EC B6S
W7EP B6S
W7F BP6S
W7FC BP6S
W7LTCR BUR6ET
W8A B5HS
W8AC B5HS
W8AO B5HS
W8AP B5HS
W8B BP5HS
W8BC BP5HS
W8BP BP5HS
W8C B5ES
W8CC B5ES
W8CCX B5ES-11
W8CO B5ES
W8CP B5ES
W8D BP5ES
W8DC BP5ES
W8DCO BP5ES
W8DCX BP5ES-11
W8DCY BP5ES-13
W8DP BP5ES
W8DPX BP5ES-11
W8DTC BP6ET
W8DX BP5ES-11
W8E B6S
W8EC B6S
W8F BP5S
W8LCR ZGR5A
W8LTCR BUR5ET
W8LPR ZGR5A
W8FC BP5S
W9A B-4H
W9AC B5HS
W9ACO B5HS
W9AO B-4H
W9C B4ES
W9CC B4ES
W9D BP5ES
W9DC BP5ES
W9DCX BP5ES-11
W9DP BP5ES
W9DPX BP5ES-11
W9E B-4
W9EC B-4
W9EO B4-LM
W9F BP5S
W9FC BP5S
W9LC ZGR5A
W9LCX BRE527Y-11
W10A B-4H
W10AC B-4H
W10C B4ES
W10CC B4ES
W10D BP4ES
W10DC BP4ES
W10E B-4
W10F BP-4
W10FC BP-4
W12A B-4H
W12E B-2
WEA BUH
WEC BUE
WR4CC BR8ES
WR4CP BR8ES
WR5A BR7HS
WR5AC BR7HS
WR5CC BR7ES
WR5CP BR7ES
WR5D BPR7ES
WR5DC BPR7ES
WR5DP BPR7ES
WR5DS BPR7EV
WR6D BPR6ES
WR6DC BPR6ES
WR6DCX BPR6ES-11
WR6DP BPR6ES
WR6DPX BPR6ES-11
WR6DS BPR6EV
WR7A BR6HS
WR7AC BR6HS
WR7B BPR6HS
WR7BC BPR6HS
WR7BP BPR6HS
WR7C BR6ES
WR4AC BR8HS
WR7CC BR6ES
WR7CCX BR6ES-11
WR7CP BR6ES
WR7CPX BR6ES-11
WR7D BPR6ES
WR7DC BPR6ES
WR7DCX BPR6ES-11
WR7DP BPR6ES
WR7DS BPR6EV
WR7F BPR6S
WR8AC BR5HS
WR8C BR5ES
WR8CC BR5ES
WR8CP BR5ES
WR8D BPR5ES
WR8DC BPR5ES
WR8DCO BPR5ES
WR8DCX BPR5ES-11
WR8DP BPR5ES
WR8DPX BPR5ES-11
WR8DPY BPR5ES-15
WR8DS BPR5EV
WR8E BR6S
WR8EC BR6S
WR8EP BR6S
WR8F BPR5S
WR8FC BPR5S
WR8FP BPR5S
WR8FPY BPR5S-15
WR8HP ZGR5C
WR9AO BR5HS
WR9C BR5ES
WR9CC BR5ES
WR9D BPR5ES
WR9DC BPR5ES
WR9DCY BPR5ES-15
WR9DP BPR5ES
WR9DPX BPR5ES-11
WR9DS BPR5EV
WR9DY BPR5ES-15
WR9E BR6S
WR9EC BR6S
WR9EO BR6S
WR9F BPR5S
WR9FC BPR5S
WR9FCY BPR5S-15
WR9FP BPR5S
WR9FY BPR5S-15
WR9FPY BPR5S-15
WR9HC ZGR5C
WR9HP ZGR5C
WR9LCX BRE527-11
WR9LS ZGR5A
WR10A BR4HS
WR10AC BR4HS
WR10E BR6S
WR10F BPR4S
WR10FC BPR4S
WR10FCY BPR4S-15
WR10FY BPR4S-15
WS5E BM7A
WS5F BPM7A
WS7E BM6A
WS7F BPM6A
WS8E BM6A
WS8F BPM6A
WSR5F BPMR7A
WSR6F BPMR6A
WSR8F BPMR6A
WSR9E BMR4A
X3CPO D9EA
X4CS D8EA
X5DC D7EA
XR2AS DR8HS
XR2CS DR8ES
XR4AS DR8HS
XR4CS DR8ES
XR5DC DR7EA
Y6DC DCP6E


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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2007, 22:14:51 »
Has anyone else had trouble even getting the non-resistor Boschs? I have tried many places that claim the WR7DC has superceded the W7DC. Even Buds Benz. I have used NGKs for years -- was going to try the Boschs -- but have resorted to the NGKs since I can get them! I have the BP5ES in there -- seemingly about an 8 in the Bosch.

Anyway, thanks for the chart Matt -- and all the other goodies you have been sharing with us. Good luck on the car -- you'll have the bugs worked out soon enough!

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2007, 05:15:30 »
I've tried various different types of plugs but have had the best results (faultless) with NGK BP6ES. Even the Bosch ones started to misfire after only a few thousand miles. Current NKG's have been in 6k and are still perfect. I think they have a much wider heat range then the Bosch ones.

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2007, 05:24:17 »
This chart might be hard to use these days as Bosch has changed their part numbering system.  If I am not mistaken now, plugs simply have a 4-digit code, such as "4220" which used to be WR9DP as one example.

FYI I agree 100% with David.  Not so good luck with Bosch plugs, I've had the BP6ES plugs in and they "burn better" showing the proper coloring, etc.  Years ago the restorer told me this as well.

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2007, 06:22:59 »
I ran NGK B7ES in my 250SL for 36 years.  Every time I tried a Bosch plug in the car it didn't run as well.

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2007, 07:24:23 »
A little advice from the experienced would be helpful.

I have a car that, when it runs, runs rich. From what I've read, particulary by Dan and Joe, the cars run rich as they grow older. My engine is no spring chicken (it's actually a 2.3l mercedes engine, but you know what I mean). It also has poor compression but then, it hasn't been driven much and is probably caked up. (Can't find the decarbonising stuff anywhere that people talk about).

From what I read I understand that I should put in hotter plugs to help things along. Dan has mentioned Bosch W9DC's. I have managed to find but 4 of the things in 3 months of looking. I have a newish set of BP5ES plugs at home that I've cleaned up, but they end up black as pitch each time I get the car to run. (My FI pump has been away for a re-do and has now come back with an apparently scary approach to stop the oil building up inside it - something about drilling 2 holes inside to allow the oil to return. Genuinely disturbing. Can't wait to see how it runs and will refit ASP).

Question: assuming a hotter plug will help, what then is the best NGK plug that people feel I should opt for? (Once and for all!!!)

Thanks.

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2007, 08:21:18 »
quote:
Originally posted by jameshoward

(My FI pump has been away for a re-do and has now come back with an apparently scary approach to stop the oil building up inside it - something about drilling 2 holes inside to allow the oil to return. Genuinely disturbing. Can't wait to see how it runs and will refit ASP).
You might need to start a new thread on this one!

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2007, 08:22:24 »
You are already on the hot side of the recommended range (a 5 is hotter than a 6 in NGK speak).  I don't think a spark plug change can cure the problem.  Running the car a bit harder might though.

For an overview on spark plug heat ranges try this link:

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/techinfo/spark_plugs/techtips.asp


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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2007, 18:27:30 »
James.

I was able to buy W7DC plugs made in Germany in St Paul, MN just three weeks ago at Metric Auto Parts.  They seemed to have a good supply of these plugs.  The phone # is 651 222 7810.  Every where else I tried wanted to substitute WR7DC

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2007, 22:12:52 »
James,

hopefully the refurbed injection pump will help with the mixture.  If your engine burns oil, I doubt if any reasonable spark plug will help.  Billions of years ago I had an engine that was incorrectly assembled without valve stem seals.  Oiled up real bad in a day or two.  Took the plugs out every two days and cleaned then with a wire brush.  That sort of thing would probably annoy me these days, but it was tolerable at age 16.

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2007, 22:15:35 »
Oh yes, and Matt, thanks for posting all the spark plug cross-references!

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2007, 23:01:18 »
Thanks for the info Matt.  This might be a good candidate for the somewhat overlooked "Database" section.

James, my car ran really rich, even after a f.i. pump rebuild and it turned out that the linkage was out of adjustment.  Joe Alexander, George Davis and others have great descriptions of how to do it.  I tried, but in the end I took it to a pro.  The fuel injection system can be quite finicky.  I would not drill any holes in the pump.  As I recall the later pumps use engine oil with some kind of recirculation valve while the early cars have their own oil supply and dip stick.  You could swap to a later pump instead of drilling yours, but I suspect your problem lies elsewhere.  



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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2007, 00:07:03 »
Gentlemen,

I would not drill any holes in my pump either, but this is after the fact. The chap who did drill said holes is a semi-retired older Dutch gentlemen who, apparently, seriously knows his pumps and even bought some of the Bosch factory testing eqpt when they were getting shot of the old way of doing things 'way back when...'

Anyway, I now have a pump with more holes in it that before it went to get a service, although they're on the inside. Not much I think I can do about it other than hook it up and see how it runs. I certainly don't have the expertise to be able to say 'what utter madness' to the gentlemen who did it, much as in my head when I heard what he'd done I was screaming something altogether more colourful.

Incidentally, I've used Joe's excellent linkage tour to check that and it's spot on. I'll see how the pump runs.

I'll also go to try and find the NGK plugs and see if they do any better.

Many thanks for your advice. I'll report back on the pump, which is clean and has lots of little red paint blotches dotted about it. Perhaps it caught measeles whilst on its trip.

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2007, 15:33:48 »
quote:
Originally posted by Bob G MN

James.

I was able to buy W7DC plugs made in Germany in St Paul, MN just three weeks ago at Metric Auto Parts.  They seemed to have a good supply of these plugs.  The phone # is 651 222 7810.  Every where else I tried wanted to substitute WR7DC



Thanks Bob. I may give them a call, although a lot of folks here are agreeing with my mechanic that the NGKs are the way to go.

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2007, 04:03:00 »
Whilst now chasing down BP5ES- of which there seem to be a plentiful supply on the internet compared to W9DC - I was pressed quite hard by a supplier to use Champion plugs of a similar type. Whilst I don't think I will buy them, I wondered if anyone had ever tried Champions or Beru, which I was told by a German supplier to use? (Bearing in mind I'm trying to find a plug that runs on the warmer side).

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2007, 05:19:54 »
Hi James,

I tried Champions in a 1967 250SE, admittedly it was a few years ago now but they were hopeless, changed to Bosch and they were much better. I still think NGK's work best though.

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2007, 13:29:29 »
The NGK plug should be the BP6ES if you can't find the preferred W9DC.

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2007, 15:39:32 »
the wr9dc's are bosch 7512's  

\\http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=hzzqt345ahzr5merui5twq45&partnumber=wr9dc

has them for 1.18 each.

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2007, 17:09:49 »
I've always thought that the NGK 5 is about a Bosch 9. And a NGK 6 is a Bosch 7.

Lower  = hotter for NGK
Higher = hotter for Bosch

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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2007, 21:28:15 »
Here's where I got the info.

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/part_finder/car_truck_suv/results.asp?engineid=28325

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Re: bosch to ngk spark plug cross reference
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2007, 22:00:02 »
Hey Hauser. I think that is exactly right. The BP6ES is the correct plug for our cars. Just as the Bosch W7DC would be. But its my understanding that some older engines like a hotter plug such as the BP5ES or its general equivalent Bosch W9DC (or even W8DC).

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